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Unread 02-22-2013, 03:58 PM   #1
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Question Hidden Proof Mark - Help to Identify

Obviously I am new to this forum and new to the world of Lugers. (Please excuse any newbe mistakes)

About a week ago, I acquired what I believe to be a Commercial "shooter". Have been reading ever since, trying to discover as much as I can about the possible manufacture date and other historical details. The seller said it was a WWII vet "bring back".

It is a 5-digit serial number, and all parts that are typically marked with the last two numbers of the serial number are matching, with the exception of the Safety piece that rises out of the receiver to block the sear spring movement in the Safe position. This particular part contains two digits, but not the same ones as all the other stamped pieces. Maybe that is typical, I don't know.

What I would like to identify is a "strange" proof mark that is hidden under the take-down lever, on the receiver frame. This mark has a small shield with a letter or something inside the shield (can't make out what it is). Then, around the shield are a lot of random length lines radiating out and encircling the shield, like a sunburst pattern. I've looked at several examples of proof marks on the internet, but fail to find any that look like this particular mark. Not too far from this mark, and in a few other places on the gun, there are the familiar Crown over N marks.

Wonder if any of you have seen this mark before, and what it means or any clues as to why it is on this particular gun. Thanks.
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Unread 02-22-2013, 04:19 PM   #2
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if it looks like this its a vopo police mark. But everyone including me will tell you pictures of this pistol are required to make any determination of what it is or isnt
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Unread 02-22-2013, 04:28 PM   #3
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if it looks like this its a vopo police mark. But everyone including me will tell you pictures of this pistol are required to make any determination of what it is or isnt
I am working on getting some pics, and will have them added to this thread soon. The "police mark" you show is perhaps similar but the radiating lines on mine are longer, and whatever is inside the little "shield" is not very discernible.

I will get a good pic of it shortly. Thanks
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Unread 02-22-2013, 06:13 PM   #4
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Sam, welcome to the forum

Yes, pictures are needed for sure

If a Vopo marking, that would be post war / but you never know till you see the marking
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welcome to the forum and congrats on your first luger
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welcome to the forum and congrats on your first luger
Thanks. Actually, this is my second Luger. When I was much younger (20s) I liked to trade handguns a lot. I remember once having a Luger that had a barrel that was darn near smooth (very little of the lands and grooves left). I really have no idea what it was, and remember that I didn't have it very long.

I've always wanted another one, but just recently came across the one I recently acquired. I'm anxious to get more information about it, from all those that can help identify what it might be. I'm pretty confident that it has no collectible value - but it will be interesting to hear what others think.

Tomorrow I will be taking photos of it, and will post here in this thread.
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Got some pictures taken of my P08. This first one is a close-up of the "mark" I would like to identify. There is also another "mark" to the lower left of it, but it is almost incomplete.
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Here are additional photos of this item. I really look forward to hearing from those who might be able to give me some information about this particular piece.
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A few more photos...
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East German rework imported by Sarco back in the very early 90's. Nice! I would bet that someone changed out both the grips and magazine on yours somewhere along the line. It also looks like they tried to obliterate the importer stamp and cold blued over it. IIRC, they sold for $475. I bought one and have loved it since!
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East German rework imported by Sarco back in the very early 90's. Nice! I would bet that someone changed out both the grips and magazine on yours somewhere along the line. It also looks like they tried to obliterate the importer stamp and cold blued over it. IIRC, they sold for $475. I bought one and have loved it since!
Thanks for the info, appreciate you taking the time to look it over. Of course as you might imagine, your info sparks more questions in my mind.

1) Could you tell me a little more about what you mean by "East German rework"? What manufacturing plant, or who might have done the work? Did they always start with commercial pieces? What sort of rework would they have done?

2) If it was imported by Sarco, is it safe to say that it could NOT be a "WWII bring back"? What tipped you off that it was imported into this country by Sarco?

3) I was pretty certain the magazine and grips were added by someone. Also, it appears it was probably reblued at some point. Is this the type or "rework" that was typical to occur before it was imported, or after it was imported?

4) The bore is pretty good; about what you would expect for a piece this old. Given that the numbers match with the exception of the magazine, grips and the one safety piece - what would be a range for retail value, in today's market?
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the sunburst is a vopo mark and the other is a rampant lion.....Bulgaria and Spain and England use them but I am unclear as to the origins, uses , and explanation of rampant lions.

shooter grade 400-700 if its 30 luger lower end, should have had the bbl changed to 9mm if east German reworked.
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