So This Is A Bump Fire Device~

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 10:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6oaRAgdslE

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 11:02 AM

From An Old Friend~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvLt8-Wf7r0

alanint · 10-04-2017, 11:18 AM

Currently legal to own, but I'm guessing they will be shutting this product down soon.

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 11:29 AM

I can't believe ATF didn't see a problem!!

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 11:37 AM

Another Model~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_SWefYWKw0

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 11:44 AM

I wonder how long this modification has been around. This video is over 4 years old!! WAKE-UP!!!!

sheepherder · 10-04-2017, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I wonder how long this modification has been around. This video is over 4 years old!! WAKE-UP!!!!

There is a crank/cam device that attaches to the semi-automatic trigger guard and allows 'Gatling gun' style shooting - this device has been around for decades.

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 12:47 PM

This was posted by 'spacecoast' on our sister forum with hands only!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_SWefYWKw0

Eugen · 10-04-2017, 01:13 PM

Maybe i dont know much, but such a device/mod should be illegal!

Eric, Thanks for posting those videos.

kurusu · 10-04-2017, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugen

Maybe i dont know much, but such a device/mod should be illegal!

Eric, Thanks for posting those videos.

What should be illegal is murdering people.

Ah! Wait. That is already illegal.

DavidJayUden · 10-04-2017, 01:54 PM

To quote Lady Thatcher: "Now is not the time to go all wobbly in the knees, George".
The problem is that you are now advocating dramatically changing the definition of a "machine gun" and getting it dangerously close to sucking in semi-autos. Multiple shots fired with one pull of the trigger has been the standard, probably going back to the GCA of 1934. Let liberals change that and you collectors of semi-auto pistols may not like the results.
Agreed that this should not have happened, but not willing to jump on the bandwagon and hastily support bad legislation.
This is the time for vigilance, not emotion.
Actually, in my own sick mind, I'm glad that he used the bump fire because I think a good rifleman could have done more lethal damage with a semi auto with nearly endless capacity and well aimed fire than he could to by spraying the crowd. Once the crowd thinned I'm betting his average went down dramatically.
Just my $.02.
dju

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 02:48 PM

There is no way to prevent a sick mind! Oklahoma, a mere U-Haul and fertilizer, 168 dead 800 casualties, all without a gun!

kurusu · 10-04-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

There is no way to prevent a sick mind! Oklahoma, a mere U-Haul and fertilizer, 168 dead 800 casualties, all without a gun!

I am thinking this case was more than a sick mind. The use of guns was deliberate. He was a pilot and owned at least one airplane, he could have caused even more damage had he used it. His attack was not only on the victims he slaughtered. It was a hard blow on the 2nd amendment.

He was a man on a mission. Others are giving continuity to his dirty work.

PS. If this post is considered out of line feel free to delete it.

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 04:35 PM

We wecome your own comments! That America!!!! The man was obsessive paranoid highly intelligent. He waited till the end of the third day. An addictive gambler and sent his girlfriend $100k knowing it would be seized! I think he did it because of his ego. He wanted to be the greatest mass killer of all time. He followed Country Music and shot near the end of the concert when target we all facing away! He did everything for impact. As a gambler I know he must have been a guest there and maybe the same or close to same room. Measured trajectory and it was a calm evening for windage! A smart psychopath!

Bill_in_VA · 10-04-2017, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I can't believe ATF didn't see a problem!!

Why would it be? It doesn't meet the legal definition of a machine gun nor a conversion device. You get bump fire an AR15 (or just about any semiauto rifle for that matter) using the same pulling technique with just a finger in the trigger guard. Likewise, a shoelace hooked to the charging handle of an AK and wrapped around the pistol grip does the same. Do we outlaw shoe laces?

cirelaw · 10-04-2017, 08:23 PM

They have to blame on the shooter and his modified rifle on something!!! Maybe blame it on his finger!

DavidJayUden · 10-04-2017, 09:27 PM

You can cradle any semi-auto under your arm, and with a bit of pull with your left hand and keeping your trigger finger straight, you can make them all go rock and roll.
I'm no defender or fan of bump stocks, but your see where this could go, don't you? I could make a stocked artillery Luger do it with a bit of practice.
Full autos are no fun to me any more. Don't even recall the last time I shot any of mine, I know it has been several years.
I'm afraid there is only one real solution...
dju

tudorbug · 10-05-2017, 09:23 AM

An interesting thread for me who is totally uninformed on bump firing.

David

Sergio Natali · 10-05-2017, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

There is no way to prevent a sick mind! Oklahoma, a mere U-Haul and fertilizer, 168 dead 800 casualties, all without a gun!

Eric you're right, but in the meantime here, and I bet everywhere else in Europe, the anti-gun people and anti-gun organizations are beating the big drum against firearms!

Sergio Natali · 10-05-2017, 09:49 AM

... never mind tomorrow I'll go to the range again with mine...

10-04-2017, 10:51 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	So This Is A Bump Fire Device~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6oaRAgdslE Attached Thumbnails

10-04-2017, 11:02 AM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	From An Old Friend~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvLt8-Wf7r0 Attached Thumbnails

10-04-2017, 11:37 AM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Another Model~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_SWefYWKw0 Attached Thumbnails

10-04-2017, 12:47 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	This was posted by 'spacecoast' on our sister forum with hands only!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_SWefYWKw0 Attached Thumbnails

10-04-2017, 01:13 PM	#9
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 765 Thanks: 367 Thanked 598 Times in 317 Posts	Maybe i dont know much, but such a device/mod should be illegal! Eric, Thanks for posting those videos. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

10-04-2017, 11:18 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Currently legal to own, but I'm guessing they will be shutting this product down soon.

10-04-2017, 11:29 AM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I can't believe ATF didn't see a problem!!

10-04-2017, 11:44 AM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I wonder how long this modification has been around. This video is over 4 years old!! WAKE-UP!!!!

10-04-2017, 01:54 PM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	To quote Lady Thatcher: "Now is not the time to go all wobbly in the knees, George". The problem is that you are now advocating dramatically changing the definition of a "machine gun" and getting it dangerously close to sucking in semi-autos. Multiple shots fired with one pull of the trigger has been the standard, probably going back to the GCA of 1934. Let liberals change that and you collectors of semi-auto pistols may not like the results. Agreed that this should not have happened, but not willing to jump on the bandwagon and hastily support bad legislation. This is the time for vigilance, not emotion. Actually, in my own sick mind, I'm glad that he used the bump fire because I think a good rifleman could have done more lethal damage with a semi auto with nearly endless capacity and well aimed fire than he could to by spraying the crowd. Once the crowd thinned I'm betting his average went down dramatically. Just my $.02. dju

10-04-2017, 02:48 PM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	There is no way to prevent a sick mind! Oklahoma, a mere U-Haul and fertilizer, 168 dead 800 casualties, all without a gun!

10-04-2017, 04:35 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	We wecome your own comments! That America!!!! The man was obsessive paranoid highly intelligent. He waited till the end of the third day. An addictive gambler and sent his girlfriend $100k knowing it would be seized! I think he did it because of his ego. He wanted to be the greatest mass killer of all time. He followed Country Music and shot near the end of the concert when target we all facing away! He did everything for impact. As a gambler I know he must have been a guest there and maybe the same or close to same room. Measured trajectory and it was a calm evening for windage! A smart psychopath!

10-04-2017, 08:23 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	They have to blame on the shooter and his modified rifle on something!!! Maybe blame it on his finger!

10-04-2017, 09:27 PM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	You can cradle any semi-auto under your arm, and with a bit of pull with your left hand and keeping your trigger finger straight, you can make them all go rock and roll. I'm no defender or fan of bump stocks, but your see where this could go, don't you? I could make a stocked artillery Luger do it with a bit of practice. Full autos are no fun to me any more. Don't even recall the last time I shot any of mine, I know it has been several years. I'm afraid there is only one real solution... dju

10-05-2017, 09:23 AM	#18
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	An interesting thread for me who is totally uninformed on bump firing. David

10-05-2017, 09:49 AM	#20
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	... never mind tomorrow I'll go to the range again with mine... Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.