Russian commercial model ?

10e.licorne · 09-09-2008, 04:35 PM

hi

have you any information on this luger mark

tanks for any info

best regards from france

jean marie

ken d · 09-09-2008, 04:42 PM

1908 Bulgarian contract.

Regards Ken D

10e.licorne · 09-09-2008, 04:43 PM

one more pic

10e.licorne · 09-09-2008, 04:45 PM

tanks Ken ...it's a quick andswer

it's a military modele ??

ken d · 09-09-2008, 04:59 PM

10e:

Yes its Military in 9mm. Looks to be in excellent condition. Is the lanyard loop at the bottom of the grips?

Regards Ken D

ken d · 09-09-2008, 05:19 PM

10e.

The Bulgarian contract, around 1912/13, was for 10,000 Lugers, in two lots. Serial numbers 1 thru 5000 and 1C thru 5000c. They were ordered without stock lugs. Scarce Luger in the US.

Regards Ken D

Vlim · 09-09-2008, 05:43 PM

Interarms imported most of these in the 1960s. Some were sold with the Bulgarian crest on the toggle intact, others had the crest remove to obscure the fact that the guns came from a (then) communist country.

A small number (about 1000 - 2000) were sold to Erma in Germany, who renovated them and sold them onto the European market.

Hard to judge from the photos, but this may actually be one of those Erma reworks.

Lugerdoc · 09-10-2008, 10:58 AM

I agree with the above. The same cyrilic safety word was also used on the M1906 Russian model, but above the safety lever, since I had a grip safety. TH

09-10-2008, 09:51 PM

Any marking on the side of the extractor?

jamese · 09-11-2008, 07:16 AM

You should post a few more pics of this Bulgarian and we would be about to give you more info about it. Plus many of us would like to see more of it !

These are not found very often

Jim

10e.licorne · 09-11-2008, 01:57 PM

sorry to have post it in the commercial forum if a moderator can change it to the good place

this Luger is not my ...for the moment ....

the pics are not very good sorry

best regards

drbuster · 09-11-2008, 09:58 PM

The photographs are blurred but the shine and the fireblued grip screws screem "reblue". Sad, but still a rare luger.

Michael Zeleny · 09-12-2008, 01:34 AM

As written on the frame, exposed ОГЪНЪ indicates the safety lever position for FIRE in Bulgarian spelling; the Russian spelling ОГОНЬ was not used on Lugers. In a related matter, the extractor logo ЗАРЯДЪ indicates the presence of a CHARGE. The modernized Russian spelling has omitted the final hard sign Ъ since 1918. You may consult Wikipedia pages that explain the roles of the hard and soft sign in Cyrillic alphabets. This Virtual Cyrillic keyboard may be used for convenient data entry.

10e.licorne · 09-12-2008, 01:41 AM

tanks for all
if i got best pic i will put it here

regards
jean marie

09-09-2008, 04:35 PM	#1
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Russian commercial model ? hi have you any information on this luger mark tanks for any info best regards from france jean marie __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it

09-09-2008, 04:43 PM	#3
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	one more pic __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it

09-09-2008, 04:45 PM	#4
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	tanks Ken ...it's a quick andswer it's a military modele ?? __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it

09-10-2008, 10:58 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I agree with the above. The same cyrilic safety word was also used on the M1906 Russian model, but above the safety lever, since I had a grip safety. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-11-2008, 07:16 AM	#10
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	You should post a few more pics of this Bulgarian and we would be about to give you more info about it. Plus many of us would like to see more of it ! These are not found very often Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

09-09-2008, 04:42 PM	#2
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	1908 Bulgarian contract. Regards Ken D

09-09-2008, 04:59 PM	#5
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	10e: Yes its Military in 9mm. Looks to be in excellent condition. Is the lanyard loop at the bottom of the grips? Regards Ken D

09-09-2008, 05:19 PM	#6
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	10e. The Bulgarian contract, around 1912/13, was for 10,000 Lugers, in two lots. Serial numbers 1 thru 5000 and 1C thru 5000c. They were ordered without stock lugs. Scarce Luger in the US. Regards Ken D

09-09-2008, 05:43 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Interarms imported most of these in the 1960s. Some were sold with the Bulgarian crest on the toggle intact, others had the crest remove to obscure the fact that the guns came from a (then) communist country. A small number (about 1000 - 2000) were sold to Erma in Germany, who renovated them and sold them onto the European market. Hard to judge from the photos, but this may actually be one of those Erma reworks.

09-10-2008, 09:51 PM	#9
Brad Guest Posts: n/a	Any marking on the side of the extractor?

09-11-2008, 01:57 PM	#11
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	sorry to have post it in the commercial forum if a moderator can change it to the good place this Luger is not my ...for the moment .... the pics are not very good sorry best regards __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it

09-11-2008, 09:58 PM	#12
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	The photographs are blurred but the shine and the fireblued grip screws screem "reblue". Sad, but still a rare luger.

09-12-2008, 01:34 AM	#13
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 138 Times in 76 Posts	As written on the frame, exposed ОГЪНЪ indicates the safety lever position for FIRE in Bulgarian spelling; the Russian spelling ОГОНЬ was not used on Lugers. In a related matter, the extractor logo ЗАРЯДЪ indicates the presence of a CHARGE. The modernized Russian spelling has omitted the final hard sign Ъ since 1918. You may consult Wikipedia pages that explain the roles of the hard and soft sign in Cyrillic alphabets. This Virtual Cyrillic keyboard may be used for convenient data entry. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

09-12-2008, 01:41 AM	#14
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	tanks for all if i got best pic i will put it here regards jean marie __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it