Gun Show Report--Portland

Dwight Gruber · 06-23-2002, 02:13 AM

Gun show in Portland this weekend has a fair number of interesting Lugers. there is, of course, the usual 1900 American Eagle that doesn't seem to sell show after show for $1.6k, and a rebarreled DWM with a holster for $795.

There is a Vickers Dutch in not terrible shape for $1k; this guy also has a 9mm Broomhandle commercial for sale (didn't catch the price) and a decent Papa Nambu for $3k. This guy also has a Mauser Broomhandle carbine, the one on which the entire grip/stock slides off rearward; it was for sale, but didn't have a price tag.

There was a nice byf 41 Black Widow (much nicer than mine [img]frown.gif[/img] ) for $900, it sold durng the day.

There is a really sweet 1900 Commercial with what is described as a Cronin holster for $3.5k.

Another table has a nice 1913 police (sear safety) and a 1916 "military", both of which have been seen before; I don't have details, but iirc the prices are moderate. On another table there is a matching 1918 dated DWM for $700.

The table with the John Martz Baby ($2.8k) also has a DWM double-date for $500 (he's selling it as a shooter) and a nice 1900 American Eagle for $2k.

Jerry Kramer is there with a selection of Lugers, as usual high quality at corresponding prices: a Krieghoff $4.5k; a Simson $2.5k; a 1906 Portuguese $2.2k; a 1906 American Eagle $3k; a byf 42 (-not- a Black Widow) $2k; a drum magazine $1.1k; and a .22 cal. conversion, boxed, for $750.

There is another table of Lugers, claimed to be from a collection which is being "pruned". There are two Finnnish Lugers for $499 each (very odd guns, these Finnish models), two S/42, one a G date and one 1936, both mismatch, for $599 each, a 1906 American Eagle for $699, and a 1900 American Eagle reblue for $1k. The Lugers on this table are not prime quality guns--mismatches, reblues, hard-use worn-finish--and priced pretty much accordingly. None are junk, however.

One of the guns on this table is notably odd--a DWM with an 8" barrel, but -not- an artillery. I didn't catch the chamber date or the serial # on the barrel, but it does, iirc, seem to have the same wear as the rest of the gun. The gun has a standard toggle rear sight, the barrel is round its entire length (does not have the Artillery rear sight platform) but does have a flat ground on the top of the barrel near the breech for some kind of a sight which is no longer on the gun.

This table also had a 1917 chamber date Navy for $1k; this sold during the course of the day.

Other than Lugers there is only one P-38, a byf 44, amidst a whole lot of P-1s (both Walther and Manurhin); a couple of Broomhandles; a couple of Radoms; and a sprinkling of Astra squirt guns.

I spent large portions of the day, variously, in the company both of Russ and Orv Reichert, a circumstance which always enjoyably enhances any gun show experience.

All in all its not a bad gun show (at least from a Luger standpoint), except that there are a lot of empty tables, too many empty spaces in the parking lot, and most of the exhibitors are expressing unhappiness that sales are pretty poor.

--Dwight

Russ · 06-23-2002, 12:07 PM

I enjoyed it to Dwight. I hope you got that navy. it wasnt bad for the price.

Russ <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Dwight Gruber · 06-23-2002, 02:47 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Russ:
<strong>I enjoyed it to Dwight. I hope you got that navy. it wasnt bad for the price.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep, I admit to being the purchaser (check your email). It is all proper and matching (at least the metal; the magazine is aftermarket, the grips are marked, match each other, but do not match the gun!), and in addition is a valuable lesson in the detection of filed markings (all the marks that are supposed to be there are there, I'd -really- like to know what was removed!) and spot-blue touch-up. I'd say a good deal all the way around.

--Dwight

John Sabato · 06-24-2002, 04:14 PM

Check with Tom Armstrong or Derek Seltzer on the Navy Luger forum... they should be able to advise you on the marks your new purchase should have...

06-23-2002, 02:13 AM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Gun Show Report--Portland Gun show in Portland this weekend has a fair number of interesting Lugers. there is, of course, the usual 1900 American Eagle that doesn't seem to sell show after show for $1.6k, and a rebarreled DWM with a holster for $795. There is a Vickers Dutch in not terrible shape for $1k; this guy also has a 9mm Broomhandle commercial for sale (didn't catch the price) and a decent Papa Nambu for $3k. This guy also has a Mauser Broomhandle carbine, the one on which the entire grip/stock slides off rearward; it was for sale, but didn't have a price tag. There was a nice byf 41 Black Widow (much nicer than mine [img]frown.gif[/img] ) for $900, it sold durng the day. There is a really sweet 1900 Commercial with what is described as a Cronin holster for $3.5k. Another table has a nice 1913 police (sear safety) and a 1916 "military", both of which have been seen before; I don't have details, but iirc the prices are moderate. On another table there is a matching 1918 dated DWM for $700. The table with the John Martz Baby ($2.8k) also has a DWM double-date for $500 (he's selling it as a shooter) and a nice 1900 American Eagle for $2k. Jerry Kramer is there with a selection of Lugers, as usual high quality at corresponding prices: a Krieghoff $4.5k; a Simson $2.5k; a 1906 Portuguese $2.2k; a 1906 American Eagle $3k; a byf 42 (-not- a Black Widow) $2k; a drum magazine $1.1k; and a .22 cal. conversion, boxed, for $750. There is another table of Lugers, claimed to be from a collection which is being "pruned". There are two Finnnish Lugers for $499 each (very odd guns, these Finnish models), two S/42, one a G date and one 1936, both mismatch, for $599 each, a 1906 American Eagle for $699, and a 1900 American Eagle reblue for $1k. The Lugers on this table are not prime quality guns--mismatches, reblues, hard-use worn-finish--and priced pretty much accordingly. None are junk, however. One of the guns on this table is notably odd--a DWM with an 8" barrel, but -not- an artillery. I didn't catch the chamber date or the serial # on the barrel, but it does, iirc, seem to have the same wear as the rest of the gun. The gun has a standard toggle rear sight, the barrel is round its entire length (does not have the Artillery rear sight platform) but does have a flat ground on the top of the barrel near the breech for some kind of a sight which is no longer on the gun. This table also had a 1917 chamber date Navy for $1k; this sold during the course of the day. Other than Lugers there is only one P-38, a byf 44, amidst a whole lot of P-1s (both Walther and Manurhin); a couple of Broomhandles; a couple of Radoms; and a sprinkling of Astra squirt guns. I spent large portions of the day, variously, in the company both of Russ and Orv Reichert, a circumstance which always enjoyably enhances any gun show experience. All in all its not a bad gun show (at least from a Luger standpoint), except that there are a lot of empty tables, too many empty spaces in the parking lot, and most of the exhibitors are expressing unhappiness that sales are pretty poor. --Dwight

06-23-2002, 12:07 PM	#2
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	I enjoyed it to Dwight. I hope you got that navy. it wasnt bad for the price. Russ <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

06-24-2002, 04:14 PM	#4
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06-23-2002, 02:47 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Russ: <strong>I enjoyed it to Dwight. I hope you got that navy. it wasnt bad for the price. </strong><hr></blockquote> Yep, I admit to being the purchaser (check your email). It is all proper and matching (at least the metal; the magazine is aftermarket, the grips are marked, match each other, but do not match the gun!), and in addition is a valuable lesson in the detection of filed markings (all the marks that are supposed to be there are there, I'd -really- like to know what was removed!) and spot-blue touch-up. I'd say a good deal all the way around. --Dwight