1939 s/42 too good condition ??

[wolfganggo]

Hi Folks
I got an 1939, S/42 in best condition.
Complete with Holster and two matching magazines
Condition is extremly good, that I can’t belive that it’s really original.
On the other hand, many indices, at my opinion, will show no presence of rework.

What makes me doubtful:
Look at the serials at the frame, receiver and barrel. They are matching indeed, but looking at the “4” - fast you can see the difference in the stamps.
Has anyone an idea about the production process, does anyone have a “stempelvorschrift” ready to hand. When doing the serialstamping, was this a workplace for more then one person per gun. Or was every gun serialed by one worker only, then it will be probably an rework.
On the other hand, you will find no ghost lines from an potential removal of old numbers. Look at the barrel, the proofing looks perfect ……

Another point that makes me nervous, I found an “WR” stamping on some parts. Has anyone seen this before, will this be the sign of the gunshop, which reworked the gun ??

Any ideas, comments, help, information ???

Regards from austria

wolfganggo ....

[wolfganggo]

to compare as mentioned in the previous post .....
check the "4"

wolfganggo ....


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[wolfganggo]

stamping, found at receiver, front toggle link, frame (below the locking lever)

Has somebody seen this before ???


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[G.T.]

Hi Wolfganggo, you P.08 looks perfect to me... I can't see any signs of re-work in any area... But, having said that, all I'm really positive about is the magazines.. they are 100% original and un-messed with in my humble opinion... Nice gun... best to you, til..lat'r...GT

[Norme]

Hi Wolfgang, Your gun looks OK to me, too, but I can't explain the WR stamp. There is plenty of evidence that shows that different die sets were used in different locations in the Mauser plant. Look at the 3's in the photos. Regards, Norm

[wolfganggo]

Hello G.T.
any idea about the WR stamp ....

wolfganggo

[G.T.]

Hi Wolfganggo, I can only point to the popular theory that it is an in house inspectors stamp and is found quite readily on many Mauser Lugers and parts there of?? I think some Mauser made P.38's have been spotted with this stamp.. I believe, It is thought to be consistant with WW2 manufacture.. That's the best i can speculate... best to you, til...lat'r...GT

[spartacus38]

Beautiful 1939 S/42 with 2 original matching mags.Very hard to find in that condition with the
2 MM.
Bob

[Mike Z]

Wolfgang, Thats a Really Nice Luger. She Looks Original. 2 Matched Mags to Boot.
Mike Z.

[mrerick]

Very Nice Luger, Congratulations!

I raised the question about the "WR" stamp a year and a half or so ago. It is a Mauser factory mark found on many pistols.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=23633

If you look over the parts on Lugers from DWM you see a variety of individual parts inspection stamps that can probably be tracked back to individual inspectors (within the factory, not WaAmt inspectors).

Bninning in 1938, to simplify Mauser quality control inspection, a single stamp was apparently used.

From Frank's post in response to my question:

"Marc, I did a bit of research on the "WR" Mark. In Sam Costanzo's Book "World of Lugers", page 219 he states:

"Quality control inspectors stamp found on bottom frame rail and also on middle toggle link." Found on 1938 through 1941 models."

Vlim also stated:

"Mauser was once officially called 'Waffenfabrik Mauser' (WM). In the 1920s it changed to 'Mauser-Werke A.G.' (MW). So a W and an M in the logo are to be expected."

"The WR / RW logo is often seen in areas that had been inspected for hardness. A popular explanation for the logo is 'Werksrivision', but it is also tempting that it refers to the Rockwell hardness test "

It would be interesting if plant records from the 1938 timeframe could be found that indicate some kind of reorganization in the internal quality control apparatus at Mauser.

Marc

[lugercollector]

Nice Rig!!!..Any History behind it?...Someone must have stored it very well!!

[Lugerdoc]

Wolf, The "R in W" Mauser inspectors marking used on some PO8 parts from 1938-42 is attributed to R. Weiss by John Walter in his "The Luger Book" on page 239. This die was also used for proofing on HSCs by the French during their occupation of the Mauser factory (lower left trigger guard area) and perhaps (?) on other firearms assembled from left over WW2 parts. TH

[MikeP]

If you don't like it, I'll give it a good home.

Very fine piece.

[wolfganggo]

who were answering to my post.
seems like getting a real fine piece to my collection.
i really though i was getting a very well made, but a rework. your answers were real relieving to my mind.

@lugercollector, sorry, i dont have any history available on these rig.

Nice to be in touch with the experts around the world ...

regards, wolfganggo .....

[glock30]

too good? HAVE you ever seen a rework or reblue??? ever? are you joking. this gun is real