new barrel to 7.65?

hughscpa · 02-19-2019, 05:28 PM

I picked up a new to me 7.65 Erfurt a few months back. I have been trying to research this one and can not quite figure it out. I can not seem to find an Erfurt with a long barrel that is 7.65. Could it have been changed to 7.65 for some reason? I am guessing a 1914 Military in 7.65? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

k98mike · 02-19-2019, 05:48 PM

No Erfurt was produced in 7.65. The gun was re-barreled; probably in the 1920's.

sheepherder · 02-19-2019, 05:52 PM

I'll go out on a limb here and say you have a long-shank barrel (but not military spec) fitted to a short-receiver. I can see the adapter ring between the barrel flange and the receiver.

The barrel profile does not meet the military blueprint specifications/dimensions, or if so, it has been 'massaged'.

Most likely an aftermarket barrel fitted to a military [Erfurt] receiver. Barrels wear out, and get replaced.

Looks heavily buffed. Probably barrel replaced at the same time.

It's also a Revisions Commission Erfurt.

Just my $.02...

DavidJayUden · 02-19-2019, 06:02 PM

Appears that the stock lug has been removed too. Can you describe the finish, is it plated or blued?
Regardless, it should get lots of oooo's and aaaahhhh's at the range.
dju

hughscpa · 02-19-2019, 09:26 PM

It is plated and a lot of fun to shoot. The grips are some my dad had laying around from a luger he had at one time. would this be considered a 1914 or 1917?

DavidJayUden · 02-19-2019, 11:04 PM

I'm not seeing anything suggesting 1914. Why do you ask?
dju

Ron Wood · 02-19-2019, 11:53 PM

It is a Model 1914 dated 1917.
Ron

hughscpa · 02-20-2019, 09:21 AM

Thank you all for your quick response to my problem. In your opinion, did I get hurt by paying $750 for it? I know it is almost impossible to tell without seeing it personally but just curious for future reference. Thanks again.

HerrKaiser · 02-20-2019, 09:56 AM

$750 for most any functioning Luger seems to be a pretty good deal from what I have seen on here and at shows/stores that have any to display. I certainly don’t think you didn’t bad with it.

Patrick Sweeney · 02-20-2019, 03:20 PM

It also appears that it was an artillery model in the beginning.

A functioning shooter, for $750, that you don't have to worry about decreasing collector's value? Sounds like a deal to me.

RichSr · 02-20-2019, 05:40 PM

All original Erfurt Artillery models are dated 1914...True
All post 1914 Erfurt PO8s have "artillery cuts"...Not True
most have cuts but some 1916 and 1917 uppers have been observed without the cut.
I own one dated 1917 without the cut undoubtedly original.

hughscpa · 02-21-2019, 05:06 PM

What are "artillery cuts" mentioned above?

DavidJayUden · 02-21-2019, 05:15 PM

If you look down on the gun, just forward of the date you will see a flat surface, which was milled away so that the original artillery rear sight could lie flat instead of slightly raised.
Your photos 6 & 7.
dju

hughscpa · 02-22-2019, 11:50 AM

I am glad I joined this forum. You all have been a great help in this. My father and I are going through his lugers and trying to gather information and identify what he has. I will continue to research on here and in the books but if I have more questions, I'll definitely post them. Thanks again.

mrerick · 02-22-2019, 12:36 PM

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hughscpa · 02-24-2019, 11:02 PM

Will do. Thanks.

hughscpa · 05-11-2019, 03:18 PM

Just looking for opinions. Do you think this would be a good candidate for being a slow rust bluing project? Or should I leave it as is? how difficult is it to remove plating?

Edward Tinker · 05-11-2019, 04:28 PM

It is difficult to fully remove plating without having to buff again - if say nickle or chrome, then it can come off, but when I had mine done (I cold removed the nickle), the refinisher for me said that he had to manually take left over plating in crevices, etc.

If you want one that is original, then you can find a shooter for cheap (Don has one for cheap right now).

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Otherwise, cost of removal and rebluing you are talking $300-$600 and thats almost a new shooter

DavidJayUden · 05-11-2019, 08:31 PM

"Do you think this would be a good candidate for being a slow rust bluing project? Or should I leave it as is? how difficult is it to remove plating?"

A good candidate only if you want to learn and practice the process. Otherwise it is an absolute waste of money. Removal of plating isn't necessarily hard IF you have the equipment to electrically reverse the plating process. But as Ed mentioned, additional buffing may be necessary, effectively cursing the end results.

Unless you are enamored with either this gun or undertaking a project for your own entertainment, leave it alone and invest money in what you want.

dju

hughscpa · 05-11-2019, 09:39 PM

Okay, thanks for the advice. I just picked up another shooter that is blues. I would like to try the bluing process some time. I'll leave this one alone and possibly try it on a different one. I'm sure I'll be asking for more advice. Thanks again.

02-19-2019, 05:28 PM	#1
hughscpa User Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Coffeen, IL Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 15 Posts	new barrel to 7.65? I picked up a new to me 7.65 Erfurt a few months back. I have been trying to research this one and can not quite figure it out. I can not seem to find an Erfurt with a long barrel that is 7.65. Could it have been changed to 7.65 for some reason? I am guessing a 1914 Military in 7.65? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Attached Thumbnails

02-19-2019, 05:48 PM	#2
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Re-barreled No Erfurt was produced in 7.65. The gun was re-barreled; probably in the 1920's.

02-19-2019, 05:52 PM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	I'll go out on a limb here and say you have a long-shank barrel (but not military spec) fitted to a short-receiver. I can see the adapter ring between the barrel flange and the receiver. The barrel profile does not meet the military blueprint specifications/dimensions, or if so, it has been 'massaged'. Most likely an aftermarket barrel fitted to a military [Erfurt] receiver. Barrels wear out, and get replaced. Looks heavily buffed. Probably barrel replaced at the same time. It's also a Revisions Commission Erfurt. Just my $.02... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

02-19-2019, 11:53 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,094 Times in 1,676 Posts	It is a Model 1914 dated 1917. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-20-2019, 09:56 AM	#9
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 804 Thanks: 752 Thanked 797 Times in 378 Posts	$750 for most any functioning Luger seems to be a pretty good deal from what I have seen on here and at shows/stores that have any to display. I certainly don’t think you didn’t bad with it. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

02-19-2019, 06:02 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Appears that the stock lug has been removed too. Can you describe the finish, is it plated or blued? Regardless, it should get lots of oooo's and aaaahhhh's at the range. dju

02-19-2019, 09:26 PM	#5
hughscpa User Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Coffeen, IL Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 15 Posts	It is plated and a lot of fun to shoot. The grips are some my dad had laying around from a luger he had at one time. would this be considered a 1914 or 1917?

02-19-2019, 11:04 PM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'm not seeing anything suggesting 1914. Why do you ask? dju

02-20-2019, 09:21 AM	#8
hughscpa User Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Coffeen, IL Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 15 Posts	Thank you all for your quick response to my problem. In your opinion, did I get hurt by paying $750 for it? I know it is almost impossible to tell without seeing it personally but just curious for future reference. Thanks again.

02-20-2019, 03:20 PM	#10
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 63 Thanks: 0 Thanked 48 Times in 23 Posts	It also appears that it was an artillery model in the beginning. A functioning shooter, for $750, that you don't have to worry about decreasing collector's value? Sounds like a deal to me.

02-20-2019, 05:40 PM	#11
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 127 Thanks: 153 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	All original Erfurt Artillery models are dated 1914...True All post 1914 Erfurt PO8s have "artillery cuts"...Not True most have cuts but some 1916 and 1917 uppers have been observed without the cut. I own one dated 1917 without the cut undoubtedly original. __________________ Rich

02-21-2019, 05:06 PM	#12
hughscpa User Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Coffeen, IL Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 15 Posts	What are "artillery cuts" mentioned above?

02-21-2019, 05:15 PM	#13
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	If you look down on the gun, just forward of the date you will see a flat surface, which was milled away so that the original artillery rear sight could lie flat instead of slightly raised. Your photos 6 & 7. dju

02-22-2019, 11:50 AM	#14
hughscpa User Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Coffeen, IL Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 15 Posts	I am glad I joined this forum. You all have been a great help in this. My father and I are going through his lugers and trying to gather information and identify what he has. I will continue to research on here and in the books but if I have more questions, I'll definitely post them. Thanks again.

02-22-2019, 12:36 PM	#15
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Make sure to get a copy of our LugerForum FAQ PDF document. It has quite a bit of useful reference material. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-24-2019, 11:02 PM	#16
hughscpa User Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Coffeen, IL Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 15 Posts	Will do. Thanks.

05-11-2019, 03:18 PM	#17
hughscpa User Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Coffeen, IL Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 15 Posts	Just looking for opinions. Do you think this would be a good candidate for being a slow rust bluing project? Or should I leave it as is? how difficult is it to remove plating?

05-11-2019, 04:28 PM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	It is difficult to fully remove plating without having to buff again - if say nickle or chrome, then it can come off, but when I had mine done (I cold removed the nickle), the refinisher for me said that he had to manually take left over plating in crevices, etc. If you want one that is original, then you can find a shooter for cheap (Don has one for cheap right now). ------------ Otherwise, cost of removal and rebluing you are talking $300-$600 and thats almost a new shooter

05-11-2019, 08:31 PM	#19
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"Do you think this would be a good candidate for being a slow rust bluing project? Or should I leave it as is? how difficult is it to remove plating?" A good candidate only if you want to learn and practice the process. Otherwise it is an absolute waste of money. Removal of plating isn't necessarily hard IF you have the equipment to electrically reverse the plating process. But as Ed mentioned, additional buffing may be necessary, effectively cursing the end results. Unless you are enamored with either this gun or undertaking a project for your own entertainment, leave it alone and invest money in what you want. dju

05-11-2019, 09:39 PM	#20
hughscpa User Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Coffeen, IL Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 15 Posts	Okay, thanks for the advice. I just picked up another shooter that is blues. I would like to try the bluing process some time. I'll leave this one alone and possibly try it on a different one. I'm sure I'll be asking for more advice. Thanks again.