1900 AE with Swiss Cross on Barrel

gunnertwo · 10-05-2021, 08:27 PM

Came across this 1900 AE and noticed it had the Swiss Cross proof on the barrel. Went to the Commercial Database Commentary and read the section on the serial range. Pleased to report a lower number for the database that is slightly earlier than the starting date. Pics attached. Thanks Dwight for the excellent coverage on the early Parabellum.

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Mac Cat · 10-05-2021, 09:05 PM

Does it have a grip safety, too ?

gunnertwo · 10-05-2021, 11:32 PM

Yes, standard production 1900 with the grip safety.

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mcg · 10-06-2021, 01:06 PM

Interesting 1900, beautiful condition and your photographs are amazing in clarity!
Thanks for posting!

Mark

Patrick Sweeney · 10-20-2021, 05:09 PM

Can someone point me to the commercial database commentary? and the significance of the Swiss cross on the barrel is?

idler · 10-20-2021, 09:33 PM

i have #8940 with the swiss cross.

Doug G. · 02-22-2022, 12:32 AM

Is it just me or does the barrel serial number look engraved?

aldo35 · 02-22-2022, 01:49 PM

The number looks funny, perhaps the photo.

spangy · 02-22-2022, 06:05 PM

the barrel fonts and the frame fonts seem different to me too aldo ... especially at the top of the #1's

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Might be the angle on the barrel but needs more checking to me.

gunbugs · 02-22-2022, 09:30 PM

The barrel numbers being stamped on the inside of a curved surface may play a part in the appearance. The stamps themselves being flat.

Doug G. · 02-23-2022, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gunbugs

The barrel numbers being stamped on the inside of a curved surface may play a part in the appearance. The stamps themselves being flat.

True, but the inside of the number 8 is not round and the inside of the numbers look choppy. Like an engraving chisel or pen?

Compare to one of my 1900 AE's.

spangy · 02-23-2022, 04:19 AM

I wish I knew more about the factory assembly process which might explain the difference in the barrel/frame stamping.

We know this barrel and frame belong together by the witness mark ... its a beautiful AE gunnertwo... I hope you own it.

Dwight Gruber · 02-23-2022, 12:49 PM

Doug, I'm sorry to correct you, but what you have pictured is as New Model pistol.

--Dwight

Dwight Gruber · 02-23-2022, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spangy

the barrel fonts and the frame fonts seem different to me too aldo ... especially at the top of the #1's

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Might be the angle on the barrel but needs more checking to me.

I don't have time to do a full photo comparison right now, but on early Old Model pistols the barrel numeral stamps are different from the frame numeral stamps, and the barrel stamp of sn 8911 is broadly consistent with contemporary examples.

--Dwight

Doug G. · 02-23-2022, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

Doug, I'm sorry to correct you, but what you have pictured is as New Model pistol.

--Dwight

You are correct, it is my 1906 AE. Got the pics mixed up when I was posting in the Germany AE halo thread.

Here is a 1900 AE.

10-20-2021, 09:33 PM	#6
idler User Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	swiss cross i have #8940 with the swiss cross.

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Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Is it just me or does the barrel serial number look engraved? __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

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spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 617 Thanks: 3,065 Thanked 1,057 Times in 429 Posts	the barrel fonts and the frame fonts seem different to me too aldo ... especially at the top of the #1's Might be the angle on the barrel but needs more checking to me. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

02-23-2022, 04:19 AM	#12
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 617 Thanks: 3,065 Thanked 1,057 Times in 429 Posts	I wish I knew more about the factory assembly process which might explain the difference in the barrel/frame stamping. We know this barrel and frame belong together by the witness mark ... its a beautiful AE gunnertwo... I hope you own it. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

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gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 621 Thanks: 822 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	1900 AE with Swiss Cross on Barrel Came across this 1900 AE and noticed it had the Swiss Cross proof on the barrel. Went to the Commercial Database Commentary and read the section on the serial range. Pleased to report a lower number for the database that is slightly earlier than the starting date. Pics attached. Thanks Dwight for the excellent coverage on the early Parabellum. G2 Attached Thumbnails

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Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 725 Thanks: 2,089 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	Does it have a grip safety, too ?

10-05-2021, 11:32 PM	#3
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 621 Thanks: 822 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	Yes, standard production 1900 with the grip safety. G2

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mcg Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 91 Thanks: 260 Thanked 29 Times in 21 Posts	Interesting 1900, beautiful condition and your photographs are amazing in clarity! Thanks for posting! Mark

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Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 50 Times in 25 Posts	Can someone point me to the commercial database commentary? and the significance of the Swiss cross on the barrel is?

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aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,215 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	The number looks funny, perhaps the photo.

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gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 657 Thanks: 364 Thanked 1,175 Times in 393 Posts	The barrel numbers being stamped on the inside of a curved surface may play a part in the appearance. The stamps themselves being flat.

02-23-2022, 12:49 PM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,313 Times in 430 Posts	Doug, I'm sorry to correct you, but what you have pictured is as New Model pistol. --Dwight