recoil spring questions etc...

thorsten_wolf · 08-27-2002, 02:06 PM

Hi all,

Just wonder, I heard that with a standard WWI luger you can't shoot modern ammo, otherwise the gun will be damaged rapidly.

I also heard of a german firm who sell stronger recoil springs in order to shoot modern loads.

Now, my question, I believe that the LP08 has a stronger spring than the normal 08. Does this mean that you can shoot modern ammo in an LP?

Or should you also replace the spring by a stronger one? The firm that sells the normal springs has none for the LP. Are these not needed?

Cheers

Thorsten <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

Lonnie Zimmerman · 08-27-2002, 02:42 PM

I have shot thousands of rounds thru an artillary model with no problems. It has a Wolff standard spring in it. I am sure to put Tetra Gun Grease on the ramps and on the toggles where they run up the ramps. My handloads are pretty hot.
Lonnie

Doubs · 08-27-2002, 05:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by thorsten_wolf:
<strong> I heard that with a standard WWI luger you can't shoot modern ammo, otherwise the gun will be damaged rapidly. I also heard of a german firm who sell stronger recoil springs in order to shoot modern loads.

I believe that the LP08 has a stronger spring than the normal 08. Does this mean that you can shoot modern ammo in an LP?

Or should you also replace the spring by a stronger one? The firm that sells the normal springs has none for the LP. Are these not needed?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wolf, while your biography information doesn't say, I'm making the assumption that you're living in Europe.... possibly Germany? If so, it's possible that your 9mm is loaded somewhat hotter than in the US. Even so, I don't think that a Luger in good mechanical condition with a proper recoil spring would be harmed by your cartridges.

To the best of my knowledge, the Artillery Luger recoil spring is no different than the spring in the standard Luger. Normal is 38 pounds. We have a company in the US called "Wolff" that sells a set of springs for the Luger in 36, 38 and 40 pound strengths. I once tried a 40 pound spring in a Luger with an 8 inch barrel but replaced it with the standard 38 pound spring. The 40 was just a bit too much.

If, over time, your original recoil spring has lost some of it's strength, you may want to replace it with an extra strength spring and give it a try. If it works properly, leave it in. If it proves to be too strong, replace it with a standard spring.

In my opinion, it's unlikely that your commercial ammunition will hurt a Luger in good condition. The original Luger load, according to a book by Fred Datig, was a 125 grain bullet at 1250 feet per second. (8.1 grams at 381 meters per second.) That's a pretty hot load in anyone's book.

08-27-2002, 02:06 PM	#1
thorsten_wolf User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	recoil spring questions etc... Hi all, Just wonder, I heard that with a standard WWI luger you can't shoot modern ammo, otherwise the gun will be damaged rapidly. I also heard of a german firm who sell stronger recoil springs in order to shoot modern loads. Now, my question, I believe that the LP08 has a stronger spring than the normal 08. Does this mean that you can shoot modern ammo in an LP? Or should you also replace the spring by a stronger one? The firm that sells the normal springs has none for the LP. Are these not needed? Cheers Thorsten <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

08-27-2002, 02:42 PM	#2
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I have shot thousands of rounds thru an artillary model with no problems. It has a Wolff standard spring in it. I am sure to put Tetra Gun Grease on the ramps and on the toggles where they run up the ramps. My handloads are pretty hot. Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

08-27-2002, 05:12 PM	#3
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by thorsten_wolf: <strong> I heard that with a standard WWI luger you can't shoot modern ammo, otherwise the gun will be damaged rapidly. I also heard of a german firm who sell stronger recoil springs in order to shoot modern loads. I believe that the LP08 has a stronger spring than the normal 08. Does this mean that you can shoot modern ammo in an LP? Or should you also replace the spring by a stronger one? The firm that sells the normal springs has none for the LP. Are these not needed? </strong><hr></blockquote> Wolf, while your biography information doesn't say, I'm making the assumption that you're living in Europe.... possibly Germany? If so, it's possible that your 9mm is loaded somewhat hotter than in the US. Even so, I don't think that a Luger in good mechanical condition with a proper recoil spring would be harmed by your cartridges. To the best of my knowledge, the Artillery Luger recoil spring is no different than the spring in the standard Luger. Normal is 38 pounds. We have a company in the US called "Wolff" that sells a set of springs for the Luger in 36, 38 and 40 pound strengths. I once tried a 40 pound spring in a Luger with an 8 inch barrel but replaced it with the standard 38 pound spring. The 40 was just a bit too much. If, over time, your original recoil spring has lost some of it's strength, you may want to replace it with an extra strength spring and give it a try. If it works properly, leave it in. If it proves to be too strong, replace it with a standard spring. In my opinion, it's unlikely that your commercial ammunition will hurt a Luger in good condition. The original Luger load, according to a book by Fred Datig, was a 125 grain bullet at 1250 feet per second. (8.1 grams at 381 meters per second.) That's a pretty hot load in anyone's book.