Receiver C/Ms

grapppa · 08-18-2005, 07:54 PM

Do these C/Ms look engraved? The pic is off a Navy for sale on Simpsons site and has been for quite some time as I recall...

drbuster · 08-18-2005, 08:37 PM

Grappa, they sure do, in my opinion, especially the long stems of the "M".

Dwight Gruber · 08-18-2005, 09:31 PM

Although I agree that the c/M look odd, this Luger needs hands-on inspection before making this determination. I have seen this "engraved" effect in a photograph of a witness mark, which was well and truly stamped.

--Dwight

Evan Duke · 08-19-2005, 06:18 PM

If you look at the horizontal serif's on all of the m's, you will see a discoloration. This indicates that the proof marks were stamped on the receiver after the blueing had been applied. This is a good indicator of how to tell if the proof marks were applied to any weapon before or after the blueing process. This is something that all of old timers look for. Chuck Duke

Don M · 08-19-2005, 06:36 PM

If I'm not mistaken, the "halo" effect described above would only occur in a stamping where some of the metal around the mark has been displaced. I would not expect this with an engraving.

Evan Duke · 08-19-2005, 10:02 PM

Don, that is correct. This mostly occurs when the surface metal has been disturbed. Ill bet if you look closely with a jewelers loop, there will be little to no dirt in the indentations. Chuck

08-18-2005, 07:54 PM	#1
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Receiver C/Ms Do these C/Ms look engraved? The pic is off a Navy for sale on Simpsons site and has been for quite some time as I recall... Attached Thumbnails

08-19-2005, 06:36 PM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	If I'm not mistaken, the "halo" effect described above would only occur in a stamping where some of the metal around the mark has been displaced. I would not expect this with an engraving. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

08-18-2005, 08:37 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Grappa, they sure do, in my opinion, especially the long stems of the "M".

08-18-2005, 09:31 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,894 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,288 Times in 426 Posts	Although I agree that the c/M look odd, this Luger needs hands-on inspection before making this determination. I have seen this "engraved" effect in a photograph of a witness mark, which was well and truly stamped. --Dwight

08-19-2005, 06:18 PM	#4
Evan Duke User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 52 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	If you look at the horizontal serif's on all of the m's, you will see a discoloration. This indicates that the proof marks were stamped on the receiver after the blueing had been applied. This is a good indicator of how to tell if the proof marks were applied to any weapon before or after the blueing process. This is something that all of old timers look for. Chuck Duke

08-19-2005, 10:02 PM	#6
Evan Duke User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 52 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Don, that is correct. This mostly occurs when the surface metal has been disturbed. Ill bet if you look closely with a jewelers loop, there will be little to no dirt in the indentations. Chuck