Regarding Freckling~ - Page 2

Thor · 08-19-2017, 09:06 AM

This is pretty good from a while back:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...old+open+color

Also the hold open should display this color (not broken of course)

cirelaw · 08-19-2017, 09:48 AM

How do they avoid some areas plain and other blued? It seems like a time consuming process~

Ron Wood · 08-19-2017, 12:37 PM

It is a time consuming process. The rust blue solution is hand swabbed onto the gun avoiding the bright polished inside, whereas the hot salt blue process involves dipping the entire piece into the bluing solution thus everything gets blued. Moreover, the rust blue process requires repeated application of the bluing solution, with boiling and carding of the surface between each application of the solution, until the desired darkness of color is obtained. The hot salt blue process requires only a one time dip so it is many times faster (but not nearly as attractive to my eye).
Ron

cirelaw · 08-19-2017, 01:01 PM

Imagine doing that a almost million times over and over!!

Rick W. · 08-20-2017, 05:15 PM

One thing about rust blue solutions is, there are a ton of recipes out there. I always heard that the German version of rust blue was not written down, but who knows, the color of rust blue varies like the colors of the rainbow...........everyone has a favorite hue.

Another is that the home guy can do it, whereas the hot blue takes a lot of setup and dollars, and disposal of used product. In rust blue, one will soon learn about a fine stainless carding wheel.

Most rust blue solutions demand cleaniness, any dot of human oil, and there is a spot in the blue. Some of the more recent solutions have a detergent in the solution, hence no need for white gloves etc. Of course, desired results as to color etc, may guide you to a specific solution to use.

I was always amazed at the areas on the early Lugers left in the white. Solution for rust bluing is put on so sparingly, that it is easy to control; but on the other hand it can be removed mechanically or chemically as well. Some guys plug the bore, some do not. Guess it boils down to how your were taught and the results thereof.

Rust blue guys can talk hours on end about technique within their own inner circles. Some dilute the solution for a finer grain attempt, some polish to high polish, some to less than 400 grit. Sweat boxes even come into the talk.

Maybe the choice between rust blue and hot blue is somewhat in tenure, I can do a form of rust blue myself and take some pride in being able to do it myself; but if I had to do thousands of such, hot blue is the ticket or stainless.

Done properly, rust blue is the cats.

cirelaw · 08-20-2017, 05:32 PM

What is the safest way to got rid of old little bumples. Or leave it alone~

Eugen · 08-20-2017, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

This is pretty good from a while back:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...old+open+color

Also the hold open should display this color (not broken of course)

Thor, the more apropos term for "broken" would be "bifurcated". Yep, that part was bifurcated. Another approach would be to say, "The hold open experienced profound usage bifuraction".

DonVoigt · 08-20-2017, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

What is the safest way to got rid of old little bumples. Or leave it alone~

Leave it alone!!!!
Get that steel wool away from that pretty luger- you can't improve it.

Oil it and , leave it alone.

Did I say leave it alone?

DonVoigt · 08-20-2017, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugen

Thor, the more apropos term for "broken" would be "bifurcated". Yep, that part was bifurcated. Another approach would be to say, "The hold open experienced profound usage bifuraction".

Looks to me like it broke.

ithacaartist · 08-21-2017, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugen

Thor, the more apropos term for "broken" would be "bifurcated". Yep, that part was bifurcated. Another approach would be to say, "The hold open experienced profound usage bifuraction".

A good "fitty-cent" word, Eugene, but I think "bisected" is better. The "furcation" part means forked, but not necessarily separated. I remember this from Dead Ringers, the movie in which Jeremy Irons played twin brothers who were freaky/insane OB/GYN physicians. They were discussing a patient whose uterus had three cervixes--a "tri-furcate."

Personally, I like "busticated"!

Eugen · 08-21-2017, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Personally, I like "busticated"!

Dave, that term works for me. That hold open part should offically be adjudicated to be busticated ...and feckled.

cirelaw · 08-21-2017, 10:58 AM

Freckles, Alfred E. Newman~

08-19-2017, 09:06 AM	#21
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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,096 Times in 1,676 Posts	It is a time consuming process. The rust blue solution is hand swabbed onto the gun avoiding the bright polished inside, whereas the hot salt blue process involves dipping the entire piece into the bluing solution thus everything gets blued. Moreover, the rust blue process requires repeated application of the bluing solution, with boiling and carding of the surface between each application of the solution, until the desired darkness of color is obtained. The hot salt blue process requires only a one time dip so it is many times faster (but not nearly as attractive to my eye). Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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08-20-2017, 05:15 PM	#25
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	One thing about rust blue solutions is, there are a ton of recipes out there. I always heard that the German version of rust blue was not written down, but who knows, the color of rust blue varies like the colors of the rainbow...........everyone has a favorite hue. Another is that the home guy can do it, whereas the hot blue takes a lot of setup and dollars, and disposal of used product. In rust blue, one will soon learn about a fine stainless carding wheel. Most rust blue solutions demand cleaniness, any dot of human oil, and there is a spot in the blue. Some of the more recent solutions have a detergent in the solution, hence no need for white gloves etc. Of course, desired results as to color etc, may guide you to a specific solution to use. I was always amazed at the areas on the early Lugers left in the white. Solution for rust bluing is put on so sparingly, that it is easy to control; but on the other hand it can be removed mechanically or chemically as well. Some guys plug the bore, some do not. Guess it boils down to how your were taught and the results thereof. Rust blue guys can talk hours on end about technique within their own inner circles. Some dilute the solution for a finer grain attempt, some polish to high polish, some to less than 400 grit. Sweat boxes even come into the talk. Maybe the choice between rust blue and hot blue is somewhat in tenure, I can do a form of rust blue myself and take some pride in being able to do it myself; but if I had to do thousands of such, hot blue is the ticket or stainless. Done properly, rust blue is the cats.