Need to ID strange Luger Carbine - Page 2

Edward Tinker · 03-11-2021, 02:33 PM

There are exact replica carbine stocks on ebay, not as nice as an original, but decent - I bought one from a friend that was cleaned up by Jim S here on the forum

ithacaartist · 03-11-2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Val7711

What I dont understand is what is the difference between 1920 Luger Carbines and Martz Luger Carbine?

Barrel length. In order not to create a SBR, Martz's barrels on projects that would be used with a stock were at least 16", presumably so they would be more universally marketable.

It's possible, of course, if you live in a state that allows, to do the federal paperwork, background check, and $200 payment for the tax involved to legally own an SBR. Original Carbines have been exempted from this rule, like an original Artillery or Navy.

Val7711 · 03-11-2021, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Barrel length. In order not to create a SBR, Martz's barrels on projects that would be used with a stock were at least 16", presumably so they would be more universally marketable.

It's possible, of course, if you live in a state that allows, to do the federal paperwork, background check, and $200 payment for the tax involved to legally own an SBR. Original Carbines have been exempted from this rule, like an original Artillery or Navy.

Thank You. Ok. Mine measures 16 inches. So its not a German made model of 1920 and not marked anywhere as a John Martz gun. I take it apart and see if I can find anything that can show who made it. My understanding is that Martz guns were all marked.

cirelaw · 03-11-2021, 06:19 PM

It greatly increases the value of the gun!

Neil Young · 03-11-2021, 06:28 PM

Val7711, that is indeed a fine looking piece. Check out the leather carrying case that Jerry Burney makes for these Luger carbines. They are absolutely beautiful and would make a great addition to your unit. BTW, I don't work for Jerry.

cirelaw · 03-11-2021, 06:42 PM

Jerrys' Weimar Carbine Case~Beautiful!!!!Handmade!!!

Val7711 · 03-11-2021, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Young

Val7711, that is indeed a fine looking piece. Check out the leather carrying case that Jerry Burney makes for these Luger carbines. They are absolutely beautiful and would make a great addition to your unit. BTW, I don't work for Jerry.

I definitely check it out it does look like a beautiful case. I will fist like to find out , who put this gun together . Since its probably not a true 1920 model. Then get a proper stock for it. But a case will definitely be nice to have too.

Edward Tinker · 03-11-2021, 10:48 PM

I know you'd like it to be a Martz gun, but if marked, he marked 'most' of them. I had a 4 inch bull barrel that when I bought it, they said, I think its a Martz. On the forum, everyone said, no, I don't think so.

Yours looks almost exactly like the one Eugene G (Lugerman) made for me.

Ed

Val7711 · 03-11-2021, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I know you'd like it to be a Martz gun, but if marked, he marked 'most' of them. I had a 4 inch bull barrel that when I bought it, they said, I think its a Martz. On the forum, everyone said, no, I don't think so.

Yours looks almost exactly like the one Eugene G (Lugerman) made for me.

Ed

I completely disassembled it. Its DEFINITELY not Martz. Its a 1916 all matching that someone turned into a 16 inch barrel carbine . I will get a well made stock for it and enjoy it for what it is or sell it. At this point , who made it is only a guess.

Edward Tinker · 03-11-2021, 11:17 PM

Its a nice looking carbine, I would not toss it out of the bed

It just depends on what you like or want. I look at my records I keep of guns I've sold and I say, what, I have owned 3 Test Lugers? I owned that many 1911's! Why'd I sell them!

Ed

spangy · 03-12-2021, 11:15 AM

Oddly enough Val7711 a stock just came up @ GunBroker for $495.00

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894716310

It's not original and the fittings I find could be tighter but you may be able to score it cheaper for that reason.
Re-fitting the hardware is relatively easy IMO.

Val7711 · 03-12-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spangy

Oddly enough Val7711 a stock just came up @ GunBroker for $495.00

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894716310

It's not original and the fittings I find could be tighter but you may be able to score it cheaper for that reason.

It looks like it may work. If I decide to keep the carbine, I will try to search for original stock ( will be tough not even knowing who build the gun) or have a nice one made for it

cirelaw · 03-12-2021, 12:21 PM

The hard part is the fitting. A gunsmith can do a custom fit adjustment~ I would definitly go for the stock! It triples the value of your gun!

Val7711 · 03-12-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

The hard part is the fitting. A gunsmith can do a custom fit adjustment~ I would definitly go for the stock! It triples the value of your gun!

I look at it again. Speaking of value , I dont even know what the gun is .... LOL.. But stock would definitely be nice to have.

cirelaw · 03-12-2021, 02:30 PM

You may be unsure of the maker, but it is a nice Luger Carbine!!!!

rhuff · 03-12-2021, 02:33 PM

You could send good photos and the serial numbers to Lugerman and ask him if he made it......just a thought.

cirelaw · 03-12-2021, 03:45 PM

Mine is#"3231t"

Val7711 · 03-13-2021, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Mine is#"3231t"

Where are serial numbers usually found on those carbines ?

cirelaw · 03-13-2021, 09:07 PM

Sometime inside under the tang inside, looks like a tuning fork!

Val7711 · 03-13-2021, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Sometime inside under the tang inside, looks like a tuning fork!

I see. Thank You. Does 4 digit serial number makes sense for a 1916 Luger?

03-11-2021, 06:28 PM	#25
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	Val7711, that is indeed a fine looking piece. Check out the leather carrying case that Jerry Burney makes for these Luger carbines. They are absolutely beautiful and would make a great addition to your unit. BTW, I don't work for Jerry. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

03-11-2021, 06:42 PM	#26
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Jerrys' Weimar Carbine Case~Beautiful!!!!Handmade!!! Attached Thumbnails

03-11-2021, 10:48 PM	#28
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I know you'd like it to be a Martz gun, but if marked, he marked 'most' of them. I had a 4 inch bull barrel that when I bought it, they said, I think its a Martz. On the forum, everyone said, no, I don't think so. Yours looks almost exactly like the one Eugene G (Lugerman) made for me. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-12-2021, 11:15 AM	#31
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 607 Thanks: 2,984 Thanked 1,047 Times in 422 Posts	Oddly enough Val7711 a stock just came up @ GunBroker for $495.00 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894716310 It's not original and the fittings I find could be tighter but you may be able to score it cheaper for that reason. Re-fitting the hardware is relatively easy IMO. Attached Images __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

03-12-2021, 12:21 PM	#33
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The hard part is the fitting. A gunsmith can do a custom fit adjustment~ I would definitly go for the stock! It triples the value of your gun! Attached Images

03-11-2021, 02:33 PM	#21
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	There are exact replica carbine stocks on ebay, not as nice as an original, but decent - I bought one from a friend that was cleaned up by Jim S here on the forum

03-11-2021, 06:19 PM	#24
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	It greatly increases the value of the gun!

03-11-2021, 11:17 PM	#30
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Its a nice looking carbine, I would not toss it out of the bed It just depends on what you like or want. I look at my records I keep of guns I've sold and I say, what, I have owned 3 Test Lugers? I owned that many 1911's! Why'd I sell them! Ed

03-12-2021, 02:30 PM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	You may be unsure of the maker, but it is a nice Luger Carbine!!!!

03-12-2021, 02:33 PM	#36
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	You could send good photos and the serial numbers to Lugerman and ask him if he made it......just a thought. __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

03-12-2021, 03:45 PM	#37
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Mine is#"3231t"

03-13-2021, 09:07 PM	#39
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Sometime inside under the tang inside, looks like a tuning fork! Attached Images