Wood HOLSTER Stock for Early Luger (like C1896 Mauser)

Ed Hicks · 05-04-2009, 07:41 PM

Wood HOLSTER Stock for Early Luger...Stamped GERMANY...I need to find other examples for comparison...I haven't found this type in any of my references...

More images in Bergmann Mars & Swiss Luger Pistols folder -http://warpathinc.winkflash.com

Please email me directly if you have details on this type stock...edhicks82@aol.com Thanks, Ed

John Sabato · 05-05-2009, 10:55 AM

IMHO, this holster stock was ADAPTED to house Luger pistols... it was not issued by the military or factories for that purpose.

It would not be considered legal by BATFE in the USA for use on a Luger that had less than a 16" barrel. IOW, a waste of money IMHO.

George Anderson · 05-05-2009, 11:43 AM

Ed, email me about the stock. George

Edward Tinker · 05-05-2009, 12:37 PM

Rick and Ed, those are kooool

Ed

Ed Hicks · 05-05-2009, 01:39 PM

Thanks a nice rig...interesting way to hold the magazines. Ed

alanint · 05-05-2009, 02:25 PM

If you have any way of documenting a series manufacturing origin or show that it is more than 50 years old you can submit the stocks details to ATF and attempt to have it listed on the Curios and Relics list, which would then allow it to be legally attached to a pistol.
Even a one-off design can be placed on the registry if it has a significant historical value

Ed Hicks · 05-05-2009, 02:32 PM

I'd have to say this easily qualifies for over 50 years old...now to find another example of similar type. Ed

Steinar · 05-05-2009, 04:03 PM

Rick W, that's a very nice rig! Sweet..

btw. I notice the file is named "Bavarian". The Bavarian Lugers I have seen, have been without stocklug (pre 1913 and not refurbished). But I guess there are some Bavarian lugers with stock lug also?

Went Blakely · 05-06-2009, 02:28 PM

They look very cool!

SIGP2101 · 05-06-2009, 03:28 PM

To me looks like crude Pakistanis hand made copy. Iron parts are to rough shaped for Germany production of any timeframe, and rusted on purpose, which is not consistent with condition of the wood, which is obviously stained not aged.

George Anderson · 05-06-2009, 04:30 PM

I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Sieger · 05-07-2009, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick W.

another wooden holster; somewhat similar.

Hi:

I've seen this pattern, over the years, in various publications, but have never actually "seen" one in person.

I like the idea quite a bit, and see it as vastly superior to the leather holster, board stock configuration used by the Herres in WWI.

Are these available for sale currently? If so, where please.

Sieger

Lugerdoc · 05-10-2009, 08:56 AM

Ed et al, Collector's Armoury in VA, contracted to have some of these made in Poland a few years ago (also Luger Carbine & Radom repros) from the original factory drawings. Original dealer cost was around $600. I understand any originals, were only made as prototypes and never went into full scale production. TH

Steve Richards · 05-15-2009, 01:48 AM

I saw some stock/holsters like these at a show in Portland, Oregon a couple of years ago. They were clearly marked as new manufacture. That is not to say that yours are not older. However, I wondered about the legality of them. But, they were beatiful!

Steve

John Sabato · 05-15-2009, 08:54 AM

Please read a little more carefully... This stock has VERY limited legality.

Quote:

However, I wondered about the legality of them.

That question has already been answered above in post#2...

Quote:

It would not be considered legal by BATFE in the USA for use on a Luger that had less than a 16" barrel.

klaus 3338 · 06-21-2009, 06:29 AM

Rick W. it would be nice to see more photos of your wooden holster!
Best regards Klaus

PhilOhio · 06-21-2009, 11:38 AM

Remember, whether or not a specific firearm or whole series is accepted as C&R does not necessarily have a thing to do with age. With items newer than 50 years old, or items which might even be in violation of some section within the rules, they can quite easily be made acceptable as C&R, just by requesting it.

The primary consideration is whether a major part of its worth lies in rarity and thus collector interest. It could have been made last month, by a company which subsequently decided they couldn't afford to build any more.

You write to ATF, make your case for collector interest and very limited availability...after reading their on-site explanation as to how this works...and you wait.

Read their C&R lists sometime. All are accessible on the ATF website. Many, many firearms have been declared C&R by serial number; they often rule on one guy's request for one firearm he owns. Hundreds of ordinary guys, like all of you and me, have done this. It cannot be that difficult. And you see many of these which were declared C&R years ago, and the passage of time has made them C&R anyway. And you wonder why they are listed at all. That's why. It was easy. The lists are simply not updated to eliminate previous approvals.

They appear to be especially flexible on shoulder stock issues. The entire Broomhandle series is exempt. They couldn't care less. ...and the Inglis and Browning Hi-Power...and others.

So if somebody finds a rare and interesting Luger stock, and you'd like its attachment onto a Luger to be legal, all you have to do is identify what in the world it is and where it came from, and decide if you want it to be legal on a whole series or on one serial number Luger; I suspect you would have better luck with the latter, one specific gun. But who knows? This is not an issue where there is a major public interest in being hard nosed; it's a few nice, middle aged guys collecting old guns which are not used by Hispanic gangs doing drive by shootings. I hope.

None of this has a thing to do with short barrels or shoulder stock rules or what you heard at a gun show. It's about rareity and novelty. Ask and it shall be given unto you, hopefully.

05-04-2009, 07:41 PM	#1
Ed Hicks User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wood HOLSTER Stock for Early Luger (like C1896 Mauser) Wood HOLSTER Stock for Early Luger...Stamped GERMANY...I need to find other examples for comparison...I haven't found this type in any of my references... More images in Bergmann Mars & Swiss Luger Pistols folder -http://warpathinc.winkflash.com Please email me directly if you have details on this type stock...edhicks82@aol.com Thanks, Ed Attached Thumbnails

05-05-2009, 04:03 PM	#8
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Rick W, that's a very nice rig! Sweet.. btw. I notice the file is named "Bavarian". The Bavarian Lugers I have seen, have been without stocklug (pre 1913 and not refurbished). But I guess there are some Bavarian lugers with stock lug also? __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

05-06-2009, 02:28 PM	#9
Went Blakely User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	They look very cool! __________________ Went Blakely

05-10-2009, 08:56 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ed et al, Collector's Armoury in VA, contracted to have some of these made in Poland a few years ago (also Luger Carbine & Radom repros) from the original factory drawings. Original dealer cost was around $600. I understand any originals, were only made as prototypes and never went into full scale production. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-05-2009, 10:55 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	IMHO, this holster stock was ADAPTED to house Luger pistols... it was not issued by the military or factories for that purpose. It would not be considered legal by BATFE in the USA for use on a Luger that had less than a 16" barrel. IOW, a waste of money IMHO. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-05-2009, 11:43 AM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Ed, email me about the stock. George

05-05-2009, 12:37 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Rick and Ed, those are kooool Ed

05-05-2009, 01:39 PM	#5
Ed Hicks User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks a nice rig...interesting way to hold the magazines. Ed

05-05-2009, 02:25 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	If you have any way of documenting a series manufacturing origin or show that it is more than 50 years old you can submit the stocks details to ATF and attempt to have it listed on the Curios and Relics list, which would then allow it to be legally attached to a pistol. Even a one-off design can be placed on the registry if it has a significant historical value

05-05-2009, 02:32 PM	#7
Ed Hicks User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd have to say this easily qualifies for over 50 years old...now to find another example of similar type. Ed

05-06-2009, 03:28 PM	#10
SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	To me looks like crude Pakistanis hand made copy. Iron parts are to rough shaped for Germany production of any timeframe, and rusted on purpose, which is not consistent with condition of the wood, which is obviously stained not aged.

05-06-2009, 04:30 PM	#11
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I would buy it in a heartbeat.

05-15-2009, 01:48 AM	#14
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I saw some stock/holsters like these at a show in Portland, Oregon a couple of years ago. They were clearly marked as new manufacture. That is not to say that yours are not older. However, I wondered about the legality of them. But, they were beatiful! Steve

06-21-2009, 06:29 AM	#16
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 513 Thanks: 0 Thanked 395 Times in 156 Posts	Rick W. it would be nice to see more photos of your wooden holster! Best regards Klaus

06-21-2009, 11:38 AM	#17
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Remember, whether or not a specific firearm or whole series is accepted as C&R does not necessarily have a thing to do with age. With items newer than 50 years old, or items which might even be in violation of some section within the rules, they can quite easily be made acceptable as C&R, just by requesting it. The primary consideration is whether a major part of its worth lies in rarity and thus collector interest. It could have been made last month, by a company which subsequently decided they couldn't afford to build any more. You write to ATF, make your case for collector interest and very limited availability...after reading their on-site explanation as to how this works...and you wait. Read their C&R lists sometime. All are accessible on the ATF website. Many, many firearms have been declared C&R by serial number; they often rule on one guy's request for one firearm he owns. Hundreds of ordinary guys, like all of you and me, have done this. It cannot be that difficult. And you see many of these which were declared C&R years ago, and the passage of time has made them C&R anyway. And you wonder why they are listed at all. That's why. It was easy. The lists are simply not updated to eliminate previous approvals. They appear to be especially flexible on shoulder stock issues. The entire Broomhandle series is exempt. They couldn't care less. ...and the Inglis and Browning Hi-Power...and others. So if somebody finds a rare and interesting Luger stock, and you'd like its attachment onto a Luger to be legal, all you have to do is identify what in the world it is and where it came from, and decide if you want it to be legal on a whole series or on one serial number Luger; I suspect you would have better luck with the latter, one specific gun. But who knows? This is not an issue where there is a major public interest in being hard nosed; it's a few nice, middle aged guys collecting old guns which are not used by Hispanic gangs doing drive by shootings. I hope. None of this has a thing to do with short barrels or shoulder stock rules or what you heard at a gun show. It's about rareity and novelty. Ask and it shall be given unto you, hopefully.