Opinion on a Gunbroker Item

farinacci56 · 01-12-2010, 07:36 AM

A definite Non Expert ( me) would appreciate an opinion from you gents on gunbroker item153478404. It a 1920 dated Artillery Stock and holster, with straps, mag pouch, etc. I've been looking in my books and a few things came to mind. First, I can't find this holster maker "C. Billep" of Spandau in any of my books. Second, I was under the impression that the Treaty of Versailles outlawed the LP- 08, so I'm wondering what the odds are of such a holster being produced for the Weimar Gov't in 1920. I guess it's also true that that Treaty was ignored at times. Anyway, since the price seems to be north of $2000.00 I'd apprecaire opinion on the authenticy of this item, & whether it is military, police or commercial- thanks Michael

George Anderson · 01-12-2010, 08:08 AM

The holster appears to be original but the markings on the holster are bogus. The stock is not original nor are the shoulder strap or mag pouch. The stock attaching leather may be original but the photos of those parts are inadequate.

the gunman · 01-12-2010, 08:52 AM

'' Listen to George " No better man out there on the LP08

farinacci56 · 01-12-2010, 05:15 PM

George, thanks for your opinion. I believe you, but for the sake of learning, is is the date ( 1920) or the "C . Billep" manufacturer thing that makes you think the markings are bogus- thanks Michael

Norme · 01-12-2010, 05:35 PM

Hi, C. Billep, Spandau, is a listed holster maker. That fact, of course, does not make this rig genuine. Regards

farinacci56 · 01-12-2010, 05:37 PM

I appreciate that information

George Anderson · 01-12-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by farinacci56

George, thanks for your opinion. I believe you, but for the sake of learning, is is the date ( 1920) or the "C . Billep" manufacturer thing that makes you think the markings are bogus- thanks Michael

Location of marking is wrong, never seen a 1920 stamp in the holster, only the stock or gun. Crown/S mark was reserved for weapons not leather.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-12-2010, 07:02 PM

The holster appears to be original but the markings on the holster are bogus. The stock is not original nor are the shoulder strap or mag pouch. The stock attaching leather may be original but the photos of those parts are inadequate.

Mike, I took a close look at this ..The whole rig is fake. Holster, leathers, stock, double mag pouch.
The holster looks the best of all of it but it's bad too. I wish I had time to detail all the bogus details but I am too busy.

George knows more about this stuff than I ever will , he's right on every count. Markings can be replicated easily..it's the details of MANY other things that tell you the origins and authenticity.

Take a look at the stock wood to metal fit. Not right at all. If you look at an authentic stock and compare then it will jump out at you.

Jerry Burney

farinacci56 · 01-12-2010, 07:39 PM

Gents, many thanks for helping me avoid an expensive mistake. Jerry, you'll hear from me shortly on the other thing- Happy New Year

01-12-2010, 07:36 AM	#1
farinacci56 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Opinion on a Gunbroker Item A definite Non Expert ( me) would appreciate an opinion from you gents on gunbroker item153478404. It a 1920 dated Artillery Stock and holster, with straps, mag pouch, etc. I've been looking in my books and a few things came to mind. First, I can't find this holster maker "C. Billep" of Spandau in any of my books. Second, I was under the impression that the Treaty of Versailles outlawed the LP- 08, so I'm wondering what the odds are of such a holster being produced for the Weimar Gov't in 1920. I guess it's also true that that Treaty was ignored at times. Anyway, since the price seems to be north of $2000.00 I'd apprecaire opinion on the authenticy of this item, & whether it is military, police or commercial- thanks Michael

01-12-2010, 08:52 AM	#3
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Lp-08 '' Listen to George " No better man out there on the LP08

01-12-2010, 07:02 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,852 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	The holster appears to be original but the markings on the holster are bogus. The stock is not original nor are the shoulder strap or mag pouch. The stock attaching leather may be original but the photos of those parts are inadequate. Mike, I took a close look at this ..The whole rig is fake. Holster, leathers, stock, double mag pouch. The holster looks the best of all of it but it's bad too. I wish I had time to detail all the bogus details but I am too busy. George knows more about this stuff than I ever will , he's right on every count. Markings can be replicated easily..it's the details of MANY other things that tell you the origins and authenticity. Take a look at the stock wood to metal fit. Not right at all. If you look at an authentic stock and compare then it will jump out at you. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-12-2010, 08:08 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	The holster appears to be original but the markings on the holster are bogus. The stock is not original nor are the shoulder strap or mag pouch. The stock attaching leather may be original but the photos of those parts are inadequate.

01-12-2010, 05:15 PM	#4
farinacci56 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	George, thanks for your opinion. I believe you, but for the sake of learning, is is the date ( 1920) or the "C . Billep" manufacturer thing that makes you think the markings are bogus- thanks Michael

01-12-2010, 05:35 PM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi, C. Billep, Spandau, is a listed holster maker. That fact, of course, does not make this rig genuine. Regards

01-12-2010, 05:37 PM	#6
farinacci56 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I appreciate that information

01-12-2010, 07:39 PM	#9
farinacci56 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Gents, many thanks for helping me avoid an expensive mistake. Jerry, you'll hear from me shortly on the other thing- Happy New Year