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HerrKaiser · 11-03-2018, 08:33 AM

Imo the engraving looks wonderful. That’s an absolutely gorgeous looking pistol. No idea what the price for that type of gun would be but man I could stare at those pictures all day.

Outlaw 6 · 11-03-2018, 11:12 AM

Hi Bruce, that's a heck of a fancy Luger! If you google 'Roger Crowley vienna wv' you should get some links. Looks like he's 78 now and still living in the same house he always did. He's on Facebook too, looks like he's written a couple of western film history books he's selling...do a FB search on his name...he's the one with the John Wayne picture. All the best!

Lugerdoc · 11-03-2018, 11:43 AM

Replica Products was just the maker of the wood case, not the pistol. Possibly engraved in Europe post WW2 by a hungry engraver, for a GI, who then had it nickel plated. Tom

ithacaartist · 11-03-2018, 12:31 PM

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... how do I thank individual posters...

Welcome, Bruce. Just click on the little 'thumbs up" at the bottom, right of any post.

brucescott24 · 11-03-2018, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

Replica Products was just the maker of the wood case, not the pistol. Possibly engraved in Europe post WW2 by a hungry engraver, for a GI, who then had it nickel plated. Tom

I can't find any signs of who the engravers are. From what I've seen and read it's not a factory job, but that's why I'm asking here. You people would know more than me and someone must know something about it.
Cheers Bruce

brucescott24 · 11-03-2018, 03:53 PM

[QUOTE=Lugerdoc;320487]Replica Products was just the maker of the wood case, not the pistol

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Originally Posted by Outlaw 6

Hi Bruce, that's a heck of a fancy Luger! If you google 'Roger Crowley vienna wv' you should get some links. Looks like he's 78 now and still living in the same house he always did. He's on Facebook too, looks like he's written a couple of western film history books he's selling...do a FB search on his name...he's the one with the John Wayne picture. All the best!

Many thanks for that lead. I will put up some photos of the case latter on and I will definitely follow up on Roger Crowley. Sounds like he could be a very interesting bloke.
Cheers Bruce

brucescott24 · 11-04-2018, 09:51 PM

Here are some photos of the case

Outlaw 6 · 11-05-2018, 11:05 AM

Nice old case of Roger's...pics bring back some memories...40+ years ago I used to trim and glue the material on partitions, got paid piece rate, maybe even helped on yours. That's a real nice pistol and case set!

mrerick · 11-05-2018, 03:20 PM

That is probably the most elaborately engraved firearm of any type I've seen. Not that I focus on engraved guns, or know much about them.

The style of work and it's depth is particularly striking. Also the use of stippling and the design may be a visual signature of an individual engraver.

Anyone recognize the style, or where it was likely done? European with the oak leaves?

I don't see numbering in places you'd expect to find a military Luger marked, so it's possible that this started out as a commercial Luger. Is it in .30 Luger caliber or 9mm?

brucescott24 · 11-05-2018, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

That is probably the most elaborately engraved firearm of any type I've seen. Not that I focus on engraved guns, or know much about them.

The style of work and it's depth is particularly striking. Also the use of stippling and the design may be a visual signature of an individual engraver.

Anyone recognize the style, or where it was likely done? European with the oak leaves?

I don't see numbering in places you'd expect to find a military Luger marked, so it's possible that this started out as a commercial Luger. Is it in .30 Luger caliber or 9mm?

It is definitely 9mm and I'm hoping that someone does recognise the style of engaging as well. From the very little I know it appears that anywhere numbers or marks should be have been engraved over except for the serial number, 3945, and DWM. I think they are on the original level and nearly everywhere else has been deeply engraved. If someone recognises the style we might be able to put something together.

HerrKaiser · 11-05-2018, 06:42 PM

I see a matching, commercial numbering style, take down lever-I think, hard to make out the number. It also looks like the bottom of the side plate is numbered in commercial style but I cant make out what number is on it at all.

brucescott24 · 11-06-2018, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

I see a matching, commercial numbering style, take down lever-I think, hard to make out the number. It also looks like the bottom of the side plate is numbered in commercial style but I cant make out what number is on it at all.

Your right. The numbers are 45, last two numbers of the serial number 3945.

HerrKaiser · 11-06-2018, 05:51 PM

What is the caliber and barrel length?

brucescott24 · 11-06-2018, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

What is the caliber and barrel length?

9mm and 4" barrel
Cheers Bruce

Rick W. · 11-06-2018, 06:47 PM

Sometimes engravers will sign or at least initial their work on the firearm somewhere. Most will be fairly discrete(usually in the engraved area itself) in nature.

Deep relief cut engraving is almost a lost art due to a lot of things. Takes a keen eye with magnification to tell what is there from a quality point of view.

One of the most deeply engraved pistols that I have ever touched was a factory engraved automag in 44amp. Engraving was deep enough to mark my hands after gripping the pistol. No idea of who did such, but probably on the net somewhere. The only other firearm that I have handled was a 40x with deep scroll, I thought sure it was European done, but the owner introduced me to the engraver at that gunshow, the engraver was Vietnamese..............he knew the work, a fine set of scrolls he did.

brucescott24 · 11-06-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick W.

Sometimes engravers will sign or at least initial their work on the firearm somewhere. Most will be fairly discrete(usually in the engraved area itself) in nature.

When I get the time I'll sit down and go over it with a magnifying glass and see if I can pick up anything. Initially I haven't found anything.
Cheers Bruce

HerrKaiser · 11-06-2018, 08:54 PM

Well. Seems to have the makings of an alphabet commercial but one with a 9mm and 4” barrel (most common versions have 3 5/8 or so barrel and .30 caliber based on the wonderful list compiled on this forum). Looks very nice, enjoy it.

brucescott24 · 11-12-2018, 03:49 AM

Hi, well from what I can find there are no markings to indicate who the engraver is but I still have another book to go through to see if I can identify the style. I believe the gun is a DWM alphabet commercial, suffix Q. Does that make it around 1927?.
I have been in touch with Roger Crowley, thanks Outlaw 6, and he said he would have built the case sometime in the 1980s but has no info on the gun. He said his Luger cases were his most popular. I know it is very difficult to do so, but with the knowledge on this forum, and it is not for sale but would anyone have an idea on the value. I still have a lot more reading and research to do when I can get the time but the wealth of information on this site is a credit to you all. I'll put up another couple of photos trying to identify the gun. Thanks for all your help
Cheers Bruce

brucescott24 · 11-18-2018, 03:30 PM

Can anyone verify that I have read the Q suffix correctly? And does that make it around 1927?
Cheers Bruce

lugerholsterrepair · 11-18-2018, 04:16 PM

Confusion say,,disappear!

11-03-2018, 08:33 AM	#21
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	Imo the engraving looks wonderful. That’s an absolutely gorgeous looking pistol. No idea what the price for that type of gun would be but man I could stare at those pictures all day. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

11-03-2018, 11:43 AM	#23
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Replica Products was just the maker of the wood case, not the pistol. Possibly engraved in Europe post WW2 by a hungry engraver, for a GI, who then had it nickel plated. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-04-2018, 09:51 PM	#27
brucescott24 User Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 24 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 15 Posts	Here are some photos of the case Attached Thumbnails

11-05-2018, 03:20 PM	#29
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	That is probably the most elaborately engraved firearm of any type I've seen. Not that I focus on engraved guns, or know much about them. The style of work and it's depth is particularly striking. Also the use of stippling and the design may be a visual signature of an individual engraver. Anyone recognize the style, or where it was likely done? European with the oak leaves? I don't see numbering in places you'd expect to find a military Luger marked, so it's possible that this started out as a commercial Luger. Is it in .30 Luger caliber or 9mm? __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-05-2018, 06:42 PM	#31
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	I see a matching, commercial numbering style, take down lever-I think, hard to make out the number. It also looks like the bottom of the side plate is numbered in commercial style but I cant make out what number is on it at all. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

11-03-2018, 11:12 AM	#22
Outlaw 6 New User Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Bruce, that's a heck of a fancy Luger! If you google 'Roger Crowley vienna wv' you should get some links. Looks like he's 78 now and still living in the same house he always did. He's on Facebook too, looks like he's written a couple of western film history books he's selling...do a FB search on his name...he's the one with the John Wayne picture. All the best!

11-05-2018, 11:05 AM	#28
Outlaw 6 New User Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Nice old case of Roger's...pics bring back some memories...40+ years ago I used to trim and glue the material on partitions, got paid piece rate, maybe even helped on yours. That's a real nice pistol and case set!

11-06-2018, 05:51 PM	#33
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	What is the caliber and barrel length? __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

11-06-2018, 06:47 PM	#35
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	Sometimes engravers will sign or at least initial their work on the firearm somewhere. Most will be fairly discrete(usually in the engraved area itself) in nature. Deep relief cut engraving is almost a lost art due to a lot of things. Takes a keen eye with magnification to tell what is there from a quality point of view. One of the most deeply engraved pistols that I have ever touched was a factory engraved automag in 44amp. Engraving was deep enough to mark my hands after gripping the pistol. No idea of who did such, but probably on the net somewhere. The only other firearm that I have handled was a 40x with deep scroll, I thought sure it was European done, but the owner introduced me to the engraver at that gunshow, the engraver was Vietnamese..............he knew the work, a fine set of scrolls he did.

11-06-2018, 08:54 PM	#37
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	Well. Seems to have the makings of an alphabet commercial but one with a 9mm and 4” barrel (most common versions have 3 5/8 or so barrel and .30 caliber based on the wonderful list compiled on this forum). Looks very nice, enjoy it. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

11-12-2018, 03:49 AM	#38
brucescott24 User Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 24 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 15 Posts	Hi, well from what I can find there are no markings to indicate who the engraver is but I still have another book to go through to see if I can identify the style. I believe the gun is a DWM alphabet commercial, suffix Q. Does that make it around 1927?. I have been in touch with Roger Crowley, thanks Outlaw 6, and he said he would have built the case sometime in the 1980s but has no info on the gun. He said his Luger cases were his most popular. I know it is very difficult to do so, but with the knowledge on this forum, and it is not for sale but would anyone have an idea on the value. I still have a lot more reading and research to do when I can get the time but the wealth of information on this site is a credit to you all. I'll put up another couple of photos trying to identify the gun. Thanks for all your help Cheers Bruce Attached Thumbnails

11-18-2018, 03:30 PM	#39
brucescott24 User Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 24 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 15 Posts	Can anyone verify that I have read the Q suffix correctly? And does that make it around 1927? Cheers Bruce

11-18-2018, 04:16 PM	#40
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