1913 DWM Luger?

zman123 · 02-05-2012, 09:33 PM

Hi, I'm new here and looking for some information on my Luger. DWM on toggle, 1913 above chamber, four proof? marks on right side of chamber 3 look like letters with crowns and the 4th looks like an Eagle with 3 small circles above it's head, bottom of barre:l BO (with 2 dots above) .26, serial number (64xx) with what looks like a cursive letter b below, front of reciever: serial# with the same cursive b. All parts have the same serial# or the last 2 digits including magazine (wooden bottom of mag). Any info would help. thanks, Z

mrerick · 02-05-2012, 09:42 PM

Hi Jerry, and welcome to the site.

Pictures are most useful.

Sounds like an all matching 1913 DWM Luger.

What would you like to know about it?

Marc

Norme · 02-05-2012, 09:54 PM

Hi Jerry, Your gun sounds like a pretty typical 1913 DWM Luger except for the Bö.26 marking. Some Lugers, perhaps for test purposes were marked with a Böhler hardness testing number. While not rare, they are uncommon. As Marc said, with pictures we could tell you more. Regards, Norm

zman123 · 02-05-2012, 10:14 PM

thanks for the quick replies, I'll take some photos in the daylight so the flash doesn't wash out the photo. I'd like to know as much as possible about it. It has been in my family since WW1 when my grandfather brought it home. I got it from my dad 30 years ago, fired it a few times since, keep it clean, oiled and in a safe, haven't thought about it much until recently. I figured I'd do a little research on it's history and value. Z

zman123 · 02-12-2012, 01:30 PM

sorry it took so long, but I have some photos for you to look at. I put chalk in the lettering to make it more visible in case you were wondering. May take a couple of posts to get them all in.

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zman123 · 02-12-2012, 01:39 PM

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zman123 · 02-12-2012, 01:45 PM

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zman123 · 02-12-2012, 01:51 PM

ok, last one. I'm trying to get as much information on this pistol as possible so that I can determine a value for insurance and maybe a market value. Thanks, Z

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Ron Wood · 02-12-2012, 02:03 PM

Jerry,
Your 1913 is a little out of the ordinary. It is a very late 1913 production right at the very start of when the stock lug was added to the Army Lugers. Early 1913 and prior years production did not have a stock lug. Not very many 1913s with a stock lug turn up so yours is a bit more rare. Also it appears in very nice condition. With its matching magazine I would think it falls into the $2500 range.

Thor · 02-12-2012, 03:09 PM

Very Nice 1913 DWM Luger, congrats!

klaus 3338 · 02-12-2012, 04:23 PM

Is there a RC stamp on the trigger guard?

zman123 · 02-12-2012, 05:18 PM

Yes, there is a small RC stamp on the trigger guard, I didn't notice it before or I would have photographed it.

zman123 · 02-12-2012, 05:24 PM

The magazine also has the # 38 stamped on the wooden bottom indicating it came with the pistol originally.

sheepherder · 02-12-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by klaus 3338

Is there a RC stamp on the trigger guard?

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Originally Posted by zman123

Yes, there is a small RC stamp on the trigger guard, I didn't notice it before or I would have photographed it.

Klaus -

What does the RC indicate???

zman123 · 02-14-2012, 11:47 PM

Here is a photo of the holster I have for this pistol. It dide not come with the pistol but fits nicely. Any ideas? There are NO markings anywhere on it. Belt loops on the back indicate it should be worn on the left side butt forward.

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mrerick · 02-15-2012, 03:12 PM

On Erfurts, Crown over "RC" was a "revision commission" stamp used when a part had to go back through rework and was then approved. I'm not sure it was the same on the DWMs...

Marc

wlyon · 02-15-2012, 03:34 PM

Your holster is Swedish for a FN Browning. Bill

zman123 · 02-15-2012, 09:33 PM

Tthanks for the info on the holster, I bought it years ago at a surplus store because I wanted a holster for my Luger and that one seemed to fit the bill. the Luger fits nicely in it but I always wondered what it was for since the flap does not close with the mag in the pouch.

Piet · 02-19-2012, 01:03 PM

Real nice Luger.

klaus 3338 · 02-21-2012, 01:43 AM

Crown RC means Revisions Commission. This mark is often seen on the Erfurt Lugers but is very rare on DWM. I have seen the RC only on some 1913 DWM with b suffix.
May I see a picture of the RC mark please?

02-05-2012, 09:33 PM	#1
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 DWM Luger? Hi, I'm new here and looking for some information on my Luger. DWM on toggle, 1913 above chamber, four proof? marks on right side of chamber 3 look like letters with crowns and the 4th looks like an Eagle with 3 small circles above it's head, bottom of barre:l BO (with 2 dots above) .26, serial number (64xx) with what looks like a cursive letter b below, front of reciever: serial# with the same cursive b. All parts have the same serial# or the last 2 digits including magazine (wooden bottom of mag). Any info would help. thanks, Z

02-05-2012, 09:42 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Hi Jerry, and welcome to the site. Pictures are most useful. Sounds like an all matching 1913 DWM Luger. What would you like to know about it? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-12-2012, 01:30 PM	#5
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 DWM Luger sorry it took so long, but I have some photos for you to look at. I put chalk in the lettering to make it more visible in case you were wondering. May take a couple of posts to get them all in.

02-12-2012, 01:39 PM	#6
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 DWM Luger

02-12-2012, 01:45 PM	#7
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02-05-2012, 09:54 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jerry, Your gun sounds like a pretty typical 1913 DWM Luger except for the Bö.26 marking. Some Lugers, perhaps for test purposes were marked with a Böhler hardness testing number. While not rare, they are uncommon. As Marc said, with pictures we could tell you more. Regards, Norm

02-05-2012, 10:14 PM	#4
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks for the quick replies, I'll take some photos in the daylight so the flash doesn't wash out the photo. I'd like to know as much as possible about it. It has been in my family since WW1 when my grandfather brought it home. I got it from my dad 30 years ago, fired it a few times since, keep it clean, oiled and in a safe, haven't thought about it much until recently. I figured I'd do a little research on it's history and value. Z

02-12-2012, 01:51 PM	#8
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 DWM Luger ok, last one. I'm trying to get as much information on this pistol as possible so that I can determine a value for insurance and maybe a market value. Thanks, Z

02-12-2012, 02:03 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,010 Thanks: 1,088 Thanked 5,149 Times in 1,694 Posts	Jerry, Your 1913 is a little out of the ordinary. It is a very late 1913 production right at the very start of when the stock lug was added to the Army Lugers. Early 1913 and prior years production did not have a stock lug. Not very many 1913s with a stock lug turn up so yours is a bit more rare. Also it appears in very nice condition. With its matching magazine I would think it falls into the $2500 range. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-12-2012, 03:09 PM	#10
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Very Nice 1913 DWM Luger, congrats! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-12-2012, 04:23 PM	#11
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Is there a RC stamp on the trigger guard?

02-12-2012, 05:18 PM	#12
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, there is a small RC stamp on the trigger guard, I didn't notice it before or I would have photographed it.

02-12-2012, 05:24 PM	#13
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The magazine also has the # 38 stamped on the wooden bottom indicating it came with the pistol originally.

02-14-2012, 11:47 PM	#15
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 DWM Luger Here is a photo of the holster I have for this pistol. It dide not come with the pistol but fits nicely. Any ideas? There are NO markings anywhere on it. Belt loops on the back indicate it should be worn on the left side butt forward.

02-15-2012, 03:12 PM	#16
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	On Erfurts, Crown over "RC" was a "revision commission" stamp used when a part had to go back through rework and was then approved. I'm not sure it was the same on the DWMs... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-15-2012, 03:34 PM	#17
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,630 Thanks: 3,169 Thanked 2,552 Times in 952 Posts	Your holster is Swedish for a FN Browning. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-15-2012, 09:33 PM	#18
zman123 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tthanks for the info on the holster, I bought it years ago at a surplus store because I wanted a holster for my Luger and that one seemed to fit the bill. the Luger fits nicely in it but I always wondered what it was for since the flap does not close with the mag in the pouch.

02-19-2012, 01:03 PM	#19
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	Real nice Luger.

02-21-2012, 01:43 AM	#20
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Crown RC means Revisions Commission. This mark is often seen on the Erfurt Lugers but is very rare on DWM. I have seen the RC only on some 1913 DWM with b suffix. May I see a picture of the RC mark please?