Unmarked holster.

Stewman · 12-30-2018, 11:47 AM

Can anyone tell me what I have. I got this holster and tool with a 1915 dwm luger.

Edward Tinker · 12-30-2018, 01:48 PM

see if any markings on the inside of the lid - if in ink, very hard to see, sometimes impossible, but usually you can see something

What i see - WW1 style of holster in the military style (so not police, not really early, not past 1926)

George Anderson · 12-30-2018, 01:54 PM

It's an Imperial era holster that has been modified with Weimar era fittings in the lid to hold a cleaning rod.

lugerholsterrepair · 12-30-2018, 01:59 PM

Yes. as Ed has indicated. Look under the top..Often the maker mark, city and date have been lightly steel stamped into the smooth underside leather and can be hard to see. A good intense light and some magnification might bring it up. It might be worn so only a portion shows up.

Nice rig!

lugerholsterrepair · 12-30-2018, 02:00 PM

George, Dang it..you are confusing a pistol rub spot. It has no stitching holes above the tool pouch!

Stewman · 12-30-2018, 03:14 PM

Thanks for the info on where to look and use of a light I found it. It says F.W. Kinkel mainz 1915. Can I presume this holster came with the gun it's an all matching 1915 dwm. Has one matching numbered magazine and one unnumbered magazine as well. Even the grips are numbered.

George Anderson · 12-30-2018, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

George, Dang it..you are confusing a pistol rub spot. It has no stitching holes above the tool pouch!

What's that to the lower end of the tool pouch?

cirelaw · 12-30-2018, 03:36 PM

Jerry, I noticed a belt loop was repositioned! Is this a normal alteration? Eric

HerrKaiser · 12-30-2018, 03:58 PM

A nice find for an all matching rig with a matching numbered mag to boot. Your un-numbered is likely a commercial magazine, keep that to add to any commercial Luger you may come across that needs a magazine.

Ron Wood · 12-30-2018, 06:59 PM

Great rig and nice condition. There is a real possibility that those items (less the un-numbered mag) have all been together since 1915. You have a winner.
Ron

Ron Wood · 12-30-2018, 07:02 PM

Jerry,
Using your moderator editing capability to answer individuals in their own post confused me a little at first...might totally bumfuzzle a newbie.
Ron

lugerholsterrepair · 12-30-2018, 07:37 PM

Ron, I wasn't paying attention. I noticed it but I have 5 projects going in the shop and am too lazy to correct it. Up to my elbows in dye as it were. Sorry..it was purely accidental.

OK..all fixy.

Eric, Not seeing anything other than normal loops?

George, It's where the stock lug rubbed against the underside. A cleaning rod tube would be farther left and along the stitch line.

I thought the same as you for a couple of seconds..but no. No cleaning rod fixtures.

Ron Wood · 12-30-2018, 07:46 PM

Only five?...You must be taking it easy during the holidays! (Just kidding

...but out of curiosity, what color are your elbows?)
Best wishes for the new year to you and Ellie.
Ron

lugerholsterrepair · 12-30-2018, 08:09 PM

I count myself extremely lucky. I ordered some double shoulder hides that turned out to be really stunning..but one was 73 inches long so I could strip 10 Artillery straps out of it! I didn't expect that and I just ran out of Artillery straps! Usually I have to order a whole half a hide to get them. So the end of 2018 is good for me. Yes, I am trying to keep up with what's coming in for repairs and my own carbine case projects.

Which reminds me..did you end up with George Fortier's carbine case? Oddly enough Charlie Roscoe has it advertised on his site! I know he doesn't own it..

Ron Wood · 12-31-2018, 12:00 AM

Yes, I bought George's case...don't know what Mr. Roscoe has...do you have a link to his site?
Ron

P.S. Profuse apologies for hijacking Stewart's (Stewman) thread on his fine 1915 rig. It is easy to get caught up in a diversion. Mea culpa

Stewman · 12-31-2018, 03:50 AM

Is there anything I should do to the holster to help keep it preserved?

lugerholsterrepair · 12-31-2018, 11:37 AM

Ron, as requested,

https://www.cmrfirearms.com/pistols-...1jb-p-736.html

lugerholsterrepair · 12-31-2018, 11:39 AM

Stewart, Do a search on this forum for leather preservation/care etc. Over the years there have been many opinions expressed. You will find a lot to choose from.

rhuff · 12-31-2018, 03:11 PM

That is a very nice Luger rig. Most all would be proud to have it in their safe. Enjoy!!

12-30-2018, 11:47 AM	#1
Stewman User Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 47 Times in 5 Posts	Unmarked holster. Can anyone tell me what I have. I got this holster and tool with a 1915 dwm luger. screenshot windows

12-30-2018, 01:59 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Yes. as Ed has indicated. Look under the top..Often the maker mark, city and date have been lightly steel stamped into the smooth underside leather and can be hard to see. A good intense light and some magnification might bring it up. It might be worn so only a portion shows up. Nice rig! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-30-2018, 02:00 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	George, Dang it..you are confusing a pistol rub spot. It has no stitching holes above the tool pouch! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-30-2018, 03:36 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Jerry, I noticed a belt loop was repositioned! Is this a normal alteration? Eric Last edited by lugerholsterrepair; 12-30-2018 at 07:39 PM.

12-30-2018, 03:58 PM	#9
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	A nice find for an all matching rig with a matching numbered mag to boot. Your un-numbered is likely a commercial magazine, keep that to add to any commercial Luger you may come across that needs a magazine. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

12-30-2018, 01:48 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	see if any markings on the inside of the lid - if in ink, very hard to see, sometimes impossible, but usually you can see something What i see - WW1 style of holster in the military style (so not police, not really early, not past 1926)

12-30-2018, 01:54 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	It's an Imperial era holster that has been modified with Weimar era fittings in the lid to hold a cleaning rod.

12-30-2018, 03:14 PM	#6
Stewman User Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 47 Times in 5 Posts	Thanks for the info on where to look and use of a light I found it. It says F.W. Kinkel mainz 1915. Can I presume this holster came with the gun it's an all matching 1915 dwm. Has one matching numbered magazine and one unnumbered magazine as well. Even the grips are numbered.

12-30-2018, 06:59 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Great rig and nice condition. There is a real possibility that those items (less the un-numbered mag) have all been together since 1915. You have a winner. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-30-2018, 07:02 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Jerry, Using your moderator editing capability to answer individuals in their own post confused me a little at first...might totally bumfuzzle a newbie. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-30-2018, 07:37 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Ron, I wasn't paying attention. I noticed it but I have 5 projects going in the shop and am too lazy to correct it. Up to my elbows in dye as it were. Sorry..it was purely accidental. OK..all fixy. Eric, Not seeing anything other than normal loops? George, It's where the stock lug rubbed against the underside. A cleaning rod tube would be farther left and along the stitch line. I thought the same as you for a couple of seconds..but no. No cleaning rod fixtures. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-30-2018, 07:46 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Only five?...You must be taking it easy during the holidays! (Just kidding ...but out of curiosity, what color are your elbows?) Best wishes for the new year to you and Ellie. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-30-2018, 08:09 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	I count myself extremely lucky. I ordered some double shoulder hides that turned out to be really stunning..but one was 73 inches long so I could strip 10 Artillery straps out of it! I didn't expect that and I just ran out of Artillery straps! Usually I have to order a whole half a hide to get them. So the end of 2018 is good for me. Yes, I am trying to keep up with what's coming in for repairs and my own carbine case projects. Which reminds me..did you end up with George Fortier's carbine case? Oddly enough Charlie Roscoe has it advertised on his site! I know he doesn't own it.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-31-2018, 12:00 AM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Yes, I bought George's case...don't know what Mr. Roscoe has...do you have a link to his site? Ron P.S. Profuse apologies for hijacking Stewart's (Stewman) thread on his fine 1915 rig. It is easy to get caught up in a diversion. Mea culpa __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-31-2018, 03:50 AM	#16
Stewman User Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 47 Times in 5 Posts	Is there anything I should do to the holster to help keep it preserved?

12-31-2018, 11:37 AM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Ron, as requested, https://www.cmrfirearms.com/pistols-...1jb-p-736.html __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-31-2018, 11:39 AM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Stewart, Do a search on this forum for leather preservation/care etc. Over the years there have been many opinions expressed. You will find a lot to choose from. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-31-2018, 03:11 PM	#19
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	That is a very nice Luger rig. Most all would be proud to have it in their safe. Enjoy!! __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21