ground off stock lug

30yr32 · 01-18-2005, 01:29 PM

I have my grandfathers 1916 artillery luger. He was a Detroit police officer from 1927-1957. The story goes that there was a law passed sometime in the 30's that required the stock lug to be ground off so it could not mount a stock. I do believe the pistol was carried as his personal side arm while on duty. He and dad are long gone so I have no way to verify the story. Has anyone heard of this law? Is it possible to replace it? Where can a new Artillery barrel be bought? This one is shot out and corroded. Time to make it serviceable again. Thanks for any help.

Malcolm P. · 01-18-2005, 02:19 PM

There was actually never any such law passed, but many people thought that Lugers with stock lugs violated the National Firearms Act and "butchered" their Lugers accordingly. ATF long ago classified Navy and/or Artillery Lugers with stocks as curios and they are not illegal, though possession of a stock with a non-Artillery or non-Navy Luger may be considered possession of a unregistered short-barrel rifle.

It is possible to have the stock lug replaced and otherwise restore it. Contact Thor. I believe the quote I got for a stock lug restoration was $250.00 that would be done by someone else. Then Thor can do the refinishing work. I am sure Thor can put you in contact with someone with for a new artillery barrel. He can engrave numbers to match the original receiver and make it look virtually brand new.

Good luck with the restoration.

Malcolm P. · 01-18-2005, 02:40 PM

Oh..before you replace the barrel, look into having it rebored. I have been told you can reline a 9mm with a new 9mm insert and that does not detract as much from collectibility as simply replacing the barrel.

Lugerdoc · 01-20-2005, 09:43 AM

I agree with Malcomb. Look into having your present barrel relined. I do have the lug portion of the PO8 rear grip strap available @$25 each. TH

Thor · 01-20-2005, 10:05 AM

The stock lug addition includes not only the stock lug portion purchase amount but cutting of the frame and careful realining and welding. Stock lug additions through my shop will be subbed out to Neil Keller who does a terrific job on them. I have seen his cutting and welding work on half a dozen Lugers and it is first rate. I am working on a 1900 AE Luger that someone ground the back strap FLAT and then ground the back of a stock lug FLAT and soldiered and pinned the lug on the frame. This is NOT a good way to add one to a gun. On this particular gun, the variation should NOT have a lug so I am taking it off during the restoration. We have to build the frame strap back to shape and it is a bear to get this right. We have just about got it done though.

30yr32 · 01-20-2005, 01:39 PM

Thank you all for your input. Hopefully I can get this restored for my son who is the 4th generation in 75+ years to own this luger.

Edward Tinker · 01-20-2005, 04:56 PM

Ted, not to dissuade you, and restoring it would be cool, it is also the family history that it isn't restored.

Ed

Thor · 01-20-2005, 05:27 PM

Very true Ed!

01-18-2005, 01:29 PM	#1
30yr32 New User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ground off stock lug I have my grandfathers 1916 artillery luger. He was a Detroit police officer from 1927-1957. The story goes that there was a law passed sometime in the 30's that required the stock lug to be ground off so it could not mount a stock. I do believe the pistol was carried as his personal side arm while on duty. He and dad are long gone so I have no way to verify the story. Has anyone heard of this law? Is it possible to replace it? Where can a new Artillery barrel be bought? This one is shot out and corroded. Time to make it serviceable again. Thanks for any help.

01-20-2005, 09:43 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I agree with Malcomb. Look into having your present barrel relined. I do have the lug portion of the PO8 rear grip strap available @$25 each. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-20-2005, 10:05 AM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	The stock lug addition includes not only the stock lug portion purchase amount but cutting of the frame and careful realining and welding. Stock lug additions through my shop will be subbed out to Neil Keller who does a terrific job on them. I have seen his cutting and welding work on half a dozen Lugers and it is first rate. I am working on a 1900 AE Luger that someone ground the back strap FLAT and then ground the back of a stock lug FLAT and soldiered and pinned the lug on the frame. This is NOT a good way to add one to a gun. On this particular gun, the variation should NOT have a lug so I am taking it off during the restoration. We have to build the frame strap back to shape and it is a bear to get this right. We have just about got it done though. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-20-2005, 05:27 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Very true Ed! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-18-2005, 02:19 PM	#2
Malcolm P. User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There was actually never any such law passed, but many people thought that Lugers with stock lugs violated the National Firearms Act and "butchered" their Lugers accordingly. ATF long ago classified Navy and/or Artillery Lugers with stocks as curios and they are not illegal, though possession of a stock with a non-Artillery or non-Navy Luger may be considered possession of a unregistered short-barrel rifle. It is possible to have the stock lug replaced and otherwise restore it. Contact Thor. I believe the quote I got for a stock lug restoration was $250.00 that would be done by someone else. Then Thor can do the refinishing work. I am sure Thor can put you in contact with someone with for a new artillery barrel. He can engrave numbers to match the original receiver and make it look virtually brand new. Good luck with the restoration.

01-18-2005, 02:40 PM	#3
Malcolm P. User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh..before you replace the barrel, look into having it rebored. I have been told you can reline a 9mm with a new 9mm insert and that does not detract as much from collectibility as simply replacing the barrel.

01-20-2005, 01:39 PM	#6
30yr32 New User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all for your input. Hopefully I can get this restored for my son who is the 4th generation in 75+ years to own this luger.

01-20-2005, 04:56 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Ted, not to dissuade you, and restoring it would be cool, it is also the family history that it isn't restored. Ed