Is this the proper place to get ID for my commercial Luger?

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 12:34 PM

I do not want to upset anyone, but I want to post the full ID info of my commercial Luger and I do not want to go to all that effort here if this is NOT the proper place to do that. I am trying to determine *which* commercial version I have. Please advise with your reply.

Regards,
Hoyt Weathers
Trinity, Alabama

Edward Tinker · 08-01-2005, 12:37 PM

Hoyt, you are in the right place. And you would not upset anyone here, and if it was the wrong place, I could move it and all would be well.

WELCOME to the forum, one of our members, Roadkill (he was run over by a wild MP a few years ago) lives in Alabama.

Ed

John Sabato · 08-01-2005, 01:39 PM

Welcome to the Lugerforum Hoyt... please post your identification information and the forum will be glad to assist you. Photographs are a plus, and if you need help posting them, there is an excellent tutorial on posting images at the top of the Site Help and Feedback Forum written by Ed Tinker...

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 02:02 PM

Thanks Ed and John.

I was on this Forum once before. Then I got "into" P.38 pistols. Getting back in was a PITA. Long story of frustration. Glad to be back in and with such warm welcomes to boot.

I can take good macro pictures with my tripod and Nikon digital camera of the pistol's stampings, but they are too large to post directly. I can burn a CD with them, send the CD to ? for down sizing if I know who ? is. That will take some time. Help.

In the meantime, I will just prepare a listing of all of the parts with stampings on them and post back with them. The pictures can wait.

Hi Roadkill ! Where in the heck are you in 'Bamma?

Regards to all in this house. ( old Irish saying upon entering his "local" (pub)

Hoyt Weathers
Morgan County in sight of the Tennessee River
Trinity, Alabama
Retired NASA engineer

Dwight Gruber · 08-01-2005, 02:12 PM

Hoyt,

Looking forward to a good Commercial post to sink my teeth into. You can email the pics to me dwightg@pacifier.com and I can shrink and post 'em for you.

--Dwight

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 03:25 PM

Thanks Dwight. Taking acceptable pictures will take a while. After I am reasonably satisfied with them, it may take forever and a day for an email with those attachements to fly out of my computer and get into yours. I will do it though. Keep bugging me to get it done! I do have DIRCWAY satelite Internet for my Mac G4 though, so that should help on the outbound msg.

Just this morning I had a flash of the obvious and looked in my copy of "WEIMAR AND EARLY NAZI LUGERS" by Jan C. Still. On page 263 therein is a picture of a 20 DWM, SN 83058, which is only a few numbers above mine which is SN 81181, which looks exactly like mine. It does not appear to have any number on the safety sear bar (part name?). Mine does not. It that part original? My chamber is not dated and there are no military stampings on it.

Since there are many parts with either numbers or unkown marks on them, I will slog ahead and take macro pics of all parts and then email them to Dwight { dwightg@pacifier.com }

For now I believe my Luger is a 1920 DWM Commercial.

Hoyt Weathers
Morgan County in sight of the Tennessee River
Trinity, Alabama
Retired NASA engineer

Dwight Gruber · 08-01-2005, 04:20 PM

Hoyt,

While you have your Luger apart and are taking pictures, have an eye for the questions at this link http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=12523

Thanks

--Dwight

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 04:25 PM

tacfoley. you are quite correct and I was just plain wrong. It has been many years since I was in an Irish pub and heard the term as you said. Before I traveled south in Irland years later, I visited Belfast several times on U.S. Government business. Our ship ported very near where the Titanic was layed down. This particular pub was part of a hotel, perhaps, but I could be wrong about that. That was before the Troubles started up. That section of Belfast got plastered pretty badly after I was there and that pub may be long gone. Anyway, that pub was north of the square, just off to the left on the left side of the street and had settles around the walls. It was located before the well-known hotel on the right side of the street. If I recall correctly, the pub was near, or beside or inside, the Windsor Hotel.

I am most pleased to be corrected.

Hoyt Weathers

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 06:25 PM

tacfoley I need to Google for Belfast Hotels and bring myself somewhat up to date.

Now, type with your English fingers and tell me what Slainte!! and tac mean.

Hoyt
A Rebel too, but in the Southern U.S.A.

stallturn · 08-01-2005, 06:31 PM

Hoyt,

The bar you mention is likely to be the Crown Bar, in Great Victoria Street, Belfast. It is almost opposite the famous (or infamous) Europa Hotel.

The bar is a rare surviving genuine example of a Victorian bar, and is owned by the National Trust.

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 06:38 PM

stallturn,
That is the pub I visited quite often. Good to know it is still there. I will try a Google for it.

When my late wife and I visited Belfast years later on a self-paid visit we stayed at the Europa Hotel.

Has it gone "down hill" since then?

Hoyt Weathers

Hoyt Weathers · 08-02-2005, 02:02 PM

tacfoley,

My most humble apologies. I now realize, with cap in hand, what a big flub-up I did. Since I have been almost all over Ireland, I understand somewhat the deep feelings of the Irish toward the English. What I should have asked was to tell me what those words are in English. However, I just above jumped to the conclusion that you are Irish. If I am wrong, I assume you will correct me quickly.

Being the bold and tongue twisted American that I am, I wish to ask where you live. Since you show your Location as the United Kingdom, I further assume you do not live in the nation of Ireland.

Again, my most humble apologies,

Hoyt Weathers
(with red face)

08-01-2005, 12:34 PM	#1
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is this the proper place to get ID for my commercial Luger? I do not want to upset anyone, but I want to post the full ID info of my commercial Luger and I do not want to go to all that effort here if this is NOT the proper place to do that. I am trying to determine which commercial version I have. Please advise with your reply. Regards, Hoyt Weathers Trinity, Alabama

08-01-2005, 01:39 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Welcome to the Lugerforum Hoyt... please post your identification information and the forum will be glad to assist you. Photographs are a plus, and if you need help posting them, there is an excellent tutorial on posting images at the top of the Site Help and Feedback Forum written by Ed Tinker... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-01-2005, 02:02 PM	#4
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Ed and John. I was on this Forum once before. Then I got "into" P.38 pistols. Getting back in was a PITA. Long story of frustration. Glad to be back in and with such warm welcomes to boot. I can take good macro pictures with my tripod and Nikon digital camera of the pistol's stampings, but they are too large to post directly. I can burn a CD with them, send the CD to ? for down sizing if I know who ? is. That will take some time. Help. In the meantime, I will just prepare a listing of all of the parts with stampings on them and post back with them. The pictures can wait. Hi Roadkill ! Where in the heck are you in 'Bamma? Regards to all in this house. ( old Irish saying upon entering his "local" (pub) Hoyt Weathers Morgan County in sight of the Tennessee River Trinity, Alabama Retired NASA engineer __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-01-2005, 03:25 PM	#6
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Dwight. Taking acceptable pictures will take a while. After I am reasonably satisfied with them, it may take forever and a day for an email with those attachements to fly out of my computer and get into yours. I will do it though. Keep bugging me to get it done! I do have DIRCWAY satelite Internet for my Mac G4 though, so that should help on the outbound msg. Just this morning I had a flash of the obvious and looked in my copy of "WEIMAR AND EARLY NAZI LUGERS" by Jan C. Still. On page 263 therein is a picture of a 20 DWM, SN 83058, which is only a few numbers above mine which is SN 81181, which looks exactly like mine. It does not appear to have any number on the safety sear bar (part name?). Mine does not. It that part original? My chamber is not dated and there are no military stampings on it. Since there are many parts with either numbers or unkown marks on them, I will slog ahead and take macro pics of all parts and then email them to Dwight { dwightg@pacifier.com } For now I believe my Luger is a 1920 DWM Commercial. Hoyt Weathers Morgan County in sight of the Tennessee River Trinity, Alabama Retired NASA engineer __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-01-2005, 06:25 PM	#9
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	tacfoley I need to Google for Belfast Hotels and bring myself somewhat up to date. Now, type with your English fingers and tell me what Slainte!! and tac mean. Hoyt A Rebel too, but in the Southern U.S.A. __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-01-2005, 12:37 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Hoyt, you are in the right place. And you would not upset anyone here, and if it was the wrong place, I could move it and all would be well. WELCOME to the forum, one of our members, Roadkill (he was run over by a wild MP a few years ago) lives in Alabama. Ed

08-01-2005, 02:12 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Hoyt, Looking forward to a good Commercial post to sink my teeth into. You can email the pics to me dwightg@pacifier.com and I can shrink and post 'em for you. --Dwight

08-01-2005, 04:20 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Hoyt, While you have your Luger apart and are taking pictures, have an eye for the questions at this link http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=12523 Thanks --Dwight

08-01-2005, 04:25 PM	#8
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	tacfoley. you are quite correct and I was just plain wrong. It has been many years since I was in an Irish pub and heard the term as you said. Before I traveled south in Irland years later, I visited Belfast several times on U.S. Government business. Our ship ported very near where the Titanic was layed down. This particular pub was part of a hotel, perhaps, but I could be wrong about that. That was before the Troubles started up. That section of Belfast got plastered pretty badly after I was there and that pub may be long gone. Anyway, that pub was north of the square, just off to the left on the left side of the street and had settles around the walls. It was located before the well-known hotel on the right side of the street. If I recall correctly, the pub was near, or beside or inside, the Windsor Hotel. I am most pleased to be corrected. Hoyt Weathers

08-01-2005, 06:31 PM	#10
stallturn User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hoyt, The bar you mention is likely to be the Crown Bar, in Great Victoria Street, Belfast. It is almost opposite the famous (or infamous) Europa Hotel. The bar is a rare surviving genuine example of a Victorian bar, and is owned by the National Trust.

08-01-2005, 06:38 PM	#11
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	stallturn, That is the pub I visited quite often. Good to know it is still there. I will try a Google for it. When my late wife and I visited Belfast years later on a self-paid visit we stayed at the Europa Hotel. Has it gone "down hill" since then? Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-02-2005, 02:02 PM	#12
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	tacfoley, My most humble apologies. I now realize, with cap in hand, what a big flub-up I did. Since I have been almost all over Ireland, I understand somewhat the deep feelings of the Irish toward the English. What I should have asked was to tell me what those words are in English. However, I just above jumped to the conclusion that you are Irish. If I am wrong, I assume you will correct me quickly. Being the bold and tongue twisted American that I am, I wish to ask where you live. Since you show your Location as the United Kingdom, I further assume you do not live in the nation of Ireland. Again, my most humble apologies, Hoyt Weathers (with red face) __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)