1916 Takedown Tool

admiral1960 · 10-20-2007, 02:09 PM

Hi,

I am new to forum.

I have a DWM (?) 1916 Luger I recently purchased from a WWII vet and he is writing a history of how he acquired it for me. According to his daughter it was taken off of a dead German.

It has no holster or takedown tool.

I have purchased a 1916 Army holster that is in the mail.

I would like to find a takedown tool that is appropiate for this model.

I know there are a lot of repros out there and a fair number of "original" ones.

I have heard some are serialized to the gun and others have manufactures marks. Can someone fill me in on what I should be looking for in the way of markings on the correct 1916 tool or point me to a book that would explain it all ?

Thanks !!

lugerholsterrepair · 10-20-2007, 04:28 PM

Allen, welcome to the Forum!
DWM was not known for marking their loading tools. An appropriate one could be blank...no markings.
An original is generally one tenth of an inch thick or slightly less. Any thicker and it has a better chance of being fake.
Most serialized tools are Police.
There are many that are Crown G-S-F etc. A crown and gothic letter.
Hope this helps..Congrats on your Luger and holster!
Jerry Burney

nickn · 10-20-2007, 05:55 PM

does anyone know why some stripping tools are imperial proof marked but the majority are blank?

lugerholsterrepair · 10-20-2007, 06:11 PM

DWM didn't mark theirs and they made the most...Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 10-20-2007, 10:30 PM

Allen,

Here are a couple of photos of some TD tools I own...

I believe all are German-made, originals...

Left to right are as follows :

* Erfurt made.

* DWM made.

* Luftwaffe proofed.

* "Swiss" marked.

Note : The Swiss marked one (small Swiss cross) are more than likely forgeries...stamping probably added in the USA for increased dollar sales. The Swiss collectors do not report such a tool in use in Switzerland by the military.

I think my tool started out its life as a German made tool and had its "swiss cross' added and a nice polish and blueing job done. I bought it as a 'curiosity"...knowing its markings were suspect...

Close-up of the Erfurt mark :

Close-up of the Luffewaffe acceptance stamp :

Close-up of the "Swiss" (made-up...) mark :

admiral1960 · 10-20-2007, 11:03 PM

I Thank everyone who repled and those who will in the future.

Now for the $64 question: does anyone have an original unmarked one for sale?

Mauser720 · 10-20-2007, 11:33 PM

admiral1960 -

Suggestion: Post your interest in buying one in the "Wanted To Buy" section of the message board. It is the last section.

Mauser720 - Ron

admiral1960 · 10-20-2007, 11:47 PM

Thanks again !!

nickn · 10-21-2007, 07:14 AM

yes i do
please send a private message

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2008, 04:04 PM

Here is a close-up of my newly acquired Erfurt tool...stamping is very clear.

admiral1960 · 01-13-2008, 05:04 PM

Nice !!

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2008, 06:59 PM

Allen,

Did you ever find the TD tool you were looking for...?

admiral1960 · 01-14-2008, 11:52 AM

Yes, I did. Thank you for asking.

I paid more than I wanted to but it does appear to be original and unmarked.

I also need a side plate with SN 02 on it and have located one but am having a little sticker shock.

However I should be able to sell mine (unmarked) for close to what the one with SN 02 will cost.

10-20-2007, 02:09 PM	#1
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	1916 Takedown Tool Hi, I am new to forum. I have a DWM (?) 1916 Luger I recently purchased from a WWII vet and he is writing a history of how he acquired it for me. According to his daughter it was taken off of a dead German. It has no holster or takedown tool. I have purchased a 1916 Army holster that is in the mail. I would like to find a takedown tool that is appropiate for this model. I know there are a lot of repros out there and a fair number of "original" ones. I have heard some are serialized to the gun and others have manufactures marks. Can someone fill me in on what I should be looking for in the way of markings on the correct 1916 tool or point me to a book that would explain it all ? Thanks !!

10-20-2007, 04:28 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Allen, welcome to the Forum! DWM was not known for marking their loading tools. An appropriate one could be blank...no markings. An original is generally one tenth of an inch thick or slightly less. Any thicker and it has a better chance of being fake. Most serialized tools are Police. There are many that are Crown G-S-F etc. A crown and gothic letter. Hope this helps..Congrats on your Luger and holster! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-20-2007, 06:11 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	DWM didn't mark theirs and they made the most...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-20-2007, 11:03 PM	#6
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	I Thank everyone who repled and those who will in the future. Now for the $64 question: does anyone have an original unmarked one for sale? __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

10-20-2007, 11:33 PM	#7
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	admiral1960 - Suggestion: Post your interest in buying one in the "Wanted To Buy" section of the message board. It is the last section. Mauser720 - Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

10-20-2007, 05:55 PM	#3
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	does anyone know why some stripping tools are imperial proof marked but the majority are blank?

10-20-2007, 10:30 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Allen, Here are a couple of photos of some TD tools I own... I believe all are German-made, originals... Left to right are as follows : * Erfurt made. * DWM made. * Luftwaffe proofed. * "Swiss" marked. Note : The Swiss marked one (small Swiss cross) are more than likely forgeries...stamping probably added in the USA for increased dollar sales. The Swiss collectors do not report such a tool in use in Switzerland by the military. I think my tool started out its life as a German made tool and had its "swiss cross' added and a nice polish and blueing job done. I bought it as a 'curiosity"...knowing its markings were suspect... Close-up of the Erfurt mark : Close-up of the Luffewaffe acceptance stamp : Close-up of the "Swiss" (made-up...) mark :

10-20-2007, 11:47 PM	#8
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Thanks again !! __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

10-21-2007, 07:14 AM	#9
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yes i do please send a private message

01-13-2008, 04:04 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is a close-up of my newly acquired Erfurt tool...stamping is very clear.

01-13-2008, 05:04 PM	#11
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Nice !! __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

01-13-2008, 06:59 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Allen, Did you ever find the TD tool you were looking for...?

01-14-2008, 11:52 AM	#13
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Yes, I did. Thank you for asking. I paid more than I wanted to but it does appear to be original and unmarked. I also need a side plate with SN 02 on it and have located one but am having a little sticker shock. However I should be able to sell mine (unmarked) for close to what the one with SN 02 will cost. __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)