1917 Artillery Luger with adjustable front sight

Captain Monty Mendenhall · 08-31-2007, 09:51 PM

I recently found a 1917 Artillery Luger that has a front sight that is screw-adjustable left and right. The Tangent rear sight has an adjusting screw as well to fine tune the vertical adjustment.

The screw is not slotted. Instead, it has two very small holes for a tiny spanner wrench.

I have looked through JHohn Walter's book and i have found not reference to a sight of this type.

Does anyone here have any information?

Edward Tinker · 08-31-2007, 10:05 PM

CMM, are you just asking if artillery's came in adjustable and non-adjustable models? If so, the answer is yes. I do not know the cut off date, but know that both models were made. There are several threads on this, I think On Jan Still's board, but I beleive that George Anderson has discussed this before also.

here are just a couple; http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ight+artillery

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ight+artillery

Ed

GerColctor · 09-02-2007, 08:03 PM

The change over from fine tune adjustable sights, both front and rear occurred during 1917. Some 1917 marked LP-08s have only one of the sights that is adjustable, depending on what parts were still available, whereas those pistols towerds the end of the production year have none.

Early 1917 LP-08s still had both sights fine tuned.
Joe

George Anderson · 09-03-2007, 08:56 AM

1917 is the transition year from fine tune sights. As noted above throughout the 1917 production one finds LP08's with both sights f/t, neither f/t and either front or back f/t. The last case where one or the other is fine tuned can also be found on occasional 1918 dated LP08's an indication that at the DWM plant components were drawn from available stock randomly.

Captain Monty Mendenhall · 09-06-2007, 06:59 AM

Thanks very much for this information. I plan to make some accuracy tests soon. I want to determine the maximun distance that an Artillery Luger can be employed and still has a 75% probability of getting a first-round hit on an IPSC size target.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-06-2007, 08:05 PM

Captain, The Germans already did that early in the turn of the Century. Jerry Burney

Mauser720 · 10-02-2007, 06:46 PM

Captain Monty Mendenhall -

Here is a picture of what the sight adjustment tool looks like.

Mauser720 - Ron

Captain Monty Mendenhall · 10-03-2007, 06:46 AM

Thanks very much Ron. I have never seen one before. It is much as I had imagined though. If you will send a high resolution picture of it to me (capmonty@aol.com), I will see that you get photocredit in SMALL ARMS REVIEW if we use it.

Monty

Mauser720 · 10-03-2007, 08:20 AM

Monty -

I am currently traveling, so I do not have access to my best digital camera. The picture I posted was taken with a Nikon Cool Pix model 5700.

If you could wait a week to ten days, I will be back home and able to use a much better Olympus camera. I will also be able to insert a "scale" in the picture, such as those by archaeologists to show the exact size of the object being photographed.

Are there any other related items you might be interested in, such as one of the 32-round drum magazines (a Type Two), or the canvas carrier for the drum magazine (reproduction) or the artillery cleaning rod (reproduction), etc.?

Mauser720 - Ron

Ron Smith · 10-03-2007, 08:50 AM

"I want to determine the maximun distance that an Artillery Luger can be employed and still has a 75% probability of getting a first-round hit on an IPSC size target."

Hi Monty,

I can tell you from experience, that a stocked artillery Luger is quite capable of a first round hit at well over 200yds. If the shooter does his part.

Ron

Captain Monty Mendenhall · 10-03-2007, 04:17 PM

There is no rush for any of this Ron. Take your time. I would lioke the other pictures that you mentioned as well.

Thanks,
Monty

Mauser720 · 10-03-2007, 04:27 PM

Okay, Monty, will do. Ron

08-31-2007, 09:51 PM	#1
Captain Monty Mendenhall User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1917 Artillery Luger with adjustable front sight I recently found a 1917 Artillery Luger that has a front sight that is screw-adjustable left and right. The Tangent rear sight has an adjusting screw as well to fine tune the vertical adjustment. The screw is not slotted. Instead, it has two very small holes for a tiny spanner wrench. I have looked through JHohn Walter's book and i have found not reference to a sight of this type. Does anyone here have any information? Attached Images

08-31-2007, 10:05 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	CMM, are you just asking if artillery's came in adjustable and non-adjustable models? If so, the answer is yes. I do not know the cut off date, but know that both models were made. There are several threads on this, I think On Jan Still's board, but I beleive that George Anderson has discussed this before also. here are just a couple; http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ight+artillery http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ight+artillery Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-02-2007, 08:03 PM	#3
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	The change over from fine tune adjustable sights, both front and rear occurred during 1917. Some 1917 marked LP-08s have only one of the sights that is adjustable, depending on what parts were still available, whereas those pistols towerds the end of the production year have none. Early 1917 LP-08s still had both sights fine tuned. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

09-06-2007, 08:05 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Captain, The Germans already did that early in the turn of the Century. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-02-2007, 06:46 PM	#7
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Captain Monty Mendenhall - Here is a picture of what the sight adjustment tool looks like. Mauser720 - Ron Attached Thumbnails

09-03-2007, 08:56 AM	#4
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	1917 is the transition year from fine tune sights. As noted above throughout the 1917 production one finds LP08's with both sights f/t, neither f/t and either front or back f/t. The last case where one or the other is fine tuned can also be found on occasional 1918 dated LP08's an indication that at the DWM plant components were drawn from available stock randomly.

09-06-2007, 06:59 AM	#5
Captain Monty Mendenhall User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks very much for this information. I plan to make some accuracy tests soon. I want to determine the maximun distance that an Artillery Luger can be employed and still has a 75% probability of getting a first-round hit on an IPSC size target.

10-03-2007, 06:46 AM	#8
Captain Monty Mendenhall User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks very much Ron. I have never seen one before. It is much as I had imagined though. If you will send a high resolution picture of it to me (capmonty@aol.com), I will see that you get photocredit in SMALL ARMS REVIEW if we use it. Monty

10-03-2007, 08:20 AM	#9
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Monty - I am currently traveling, so I do not have access to my best digital camera. The picture I posted was taken with a Nikon Cool Pix model 5700. If you could wait a week to ten days, I will be back home and able to use a much better Olympus camera. I will also be able to insert a "scale" in the picture, such as those by archaeologists to show the exact size of the object being photographed. Are there any other related items you might be interested in, such as one of the 32-round drum magazines (a Type Two), or the canvas carrier for the drum magazine (reproduction) or the artillery cleaning rod (reproduction), etc.? Mauser720 - Ron

10-03-2007, 08:50 AM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	"I want to determine the maximun distance that an Artillery Luger can be employed and still has a 75% probability of getting a first-round hit on an IPSC size target." Hi Monty, I can tell you from experience, that a stocked artillery Luger is quite capable of a first round hit at well over 200yds. If the shooter does his part. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-03-2007, 04:17 PM	#11
Captain Monty Mendenhall User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There is no rush for any of this Ron. Take your time. I would lioke the other pictures that you mentioned as well. Thanks, Monty

10-03-2007, 04:27 PM	#12
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Okay, Monty, will do. Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."