Shoulder Holster

Torquemada055 · 07-05-2002, 11:15 PM

I was wondering if there was ever an official shoulder holster made for any model of Luger ?
I mean the type we would normally see in a gun store nowadys, like the ones from say Bianci.

Hugh · 07-06-2002, 03:31 PM

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Do you mean like these?

Torquemada055 · 07-06-2002, 08:01 PM

Why YES Hugh just like those !

I guess if you ask a question someone will jump on it fast !
Thanks for the answer, I really didn't expect that fast of a response with pics also..........

You guy's here are awesome !!!!

John D. · 07-06-2002, 09:21 PM

Here is another for you:

Pete Ebbink · 07-06-2002, 09:24 PM

Guys with those neat shoulder holsters :

Were any of these "official" ordnance issue ? Or did the soldiers and officers just get them on their own ?

John D.; I can't remember if yours was HK stamped or not ?

Thanks in advance for helping educate this beginner !!!

<img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

wterrell · 07-06-2002, 09:25 PM

OK! Where can I buy a new reproduction? Does Lugerholsterrepair make them?

John D. · 07-06-2002, 09:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Wm. Pete Ebbink:
...John D.; I can't remember if yours was HK stamped or not ?..<hr></blockquote>

Hi Pete..

Yes - this one is is part of the "36" HK Rig (that's the "36" shown in the photo) - the holster is stamped 1936 with acceptance stamp above it. Here is a photo of the back of the holster (Luftwaffe Acceptance Stamp (LWaA2) just above the "1936" Date Stamp). Also - the digit dies match the "1936" on my "1936" HK - even to how the "3" and the "6" are slightly canted). Therefore, it is reasonable to deduce that this the holster was made after the production run of the "36" HKs and after the "1936" dies were available at the factory - in fact, it looks like there were actually 3 dies used - "19" die, a "3" and a "6"):

Brandon · 07-06-2002, 10:00 PM

Is it possible that this holster (John D's) might me a Luftwaffe pilot's holster? I know that on The Black Sheep Squadron whenever the pilots rushed to their planes they would grab their Pistols all in shoulder holsters. I don't know if the German pilots even carried a sidearm, I was just thinking and was kinda curious. [img]confused.gif[/img]

Brandon

John D. · 07-06-2002, 10:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Brandon:
Is it possible that this holster...<hr></blockquote>

Hi Brandon,

It's always fun to imagine - but if this RIG belonged to a Fighter Pilot - he sure didn't get scrambled too often [img]eek.gif[/img] The RIG is in excellent shape. Anyway, and more seriously - the Luger was a bit bulky for the confined cockpit of the fighters, and along with the rest of their gear - a fighter pilot usually opted for smaller firearms then the Luger. There are some pictures of pilots with Lugers - but usually they were of bomber pilots/crews/etc. Also - the paratroopers and the FLAK corps (and other groups) were also part of the Luftwaffe - and typically they would have been issued Lugers when a sidearm was required.

Anyway - thanks for the note and comments!!!

Brandon · 07-06-2002, 10:19 PM

Oh well....Maybe someday I'll get something right! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Brandon

John D. · 07-06-2002, 10:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Brandon:
Oh well....Maybe someday I'll get something right! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

Hey Brandon..!!

We are all still learning about Lugers - it's what makes this hobby so fascinating, as there is always more to learn and new things to be discovered..!!
<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Hugh · 07-06-2002, 11:34 PM

Here's three more. <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

I don't know of any repros; but you can get a US surplus shoulder holster for the Colt 45 Auto and easily convert it for the Luger.
<img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

Pete Ebbink · 07-06-2002, 11:40 PM

Hello Brandon,

What you "have gotten right" is your keen interest in lugers at your age !!!

If you buy one luger a year from now on until you are 70; you will have most of us beat, hands down !!! And if you hang in there and keep reading and learning, you might be the expert others are in awe of...

No need to apologize when your enthusiasm makes up for it...

<img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

lugerholsterrepair · 07-07-2002, 12:26 AM

Brandon, To answere your question, no, I do not make this holster. The reason being is,I do not use a sewing machine in my luger holster repair business and to make one of these with the speed necessary to sell it cheaply on the open market would require a $1500 dollar machine. The Luger collecting market is so small that it just would not pay to build a couple of newer holsters a year. I make almost everything emaginable such as artillery boots and double magazine pouches etc. but you would not believe how time consuming it is. I make them to museum quality specifications, such as hand hammering on brass or steel studs just as the Germans did at the turn of the century. This results in a higher price for these items and consequently it is only the descriminating collector who wants to pay for, and get, the best available in the world today. While I would certainly make almost anything a client asks of me it would not be the quality of items made in Poland or India , nor would the price be the same. Thanks for thinking of me, Jerry Burney

lugerholsterrepair · 07-07-2002, 12:31 AM

OOPs, I meant Wes instead of Brandon. Also John D I have seen several of these shoulder holsters without the round cutout for the Luger magazine...yours included, What do you make of this? Jerry Burney

Doubs · 07-07-2002, 01:06 AM

A few years ago I bought a number of new shoulder holsters at a government surplus auction. They were made for the S&W Model 15 revolver that was standard US Air Force issue at one time. A 4" barrel Luger fits these holsters perfectly. I can post a picture of them if you like. They're made of black leather and I still have six, new in unopened boxes. I'll post them on the new "For Sale" forum if anyone is interested in one.

Hugh · 07-07-2002, 02:49 AM

Doubs,

You're right! I have one of those and it fits the Luger like it was made for it! That must have been what I was thinking about when I mentioned converting the 1911 holster. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Marvin · 07-07-2002, 07:30 AM

The discussion on Luftwaffe Pilots wearing a shoulder holster was probably true for the smaller handguns like the Walther PP, PPK, and the Hungarian .32 auto. The Luger would have been very bulky for a pilot.

The Panzer Truppen wore shoulder hosters too. This would probably be where most of the Luger shoulder holster came from. The Panzer crewman had a small hatch to get into and out of and a pistol on the belt could hang in the opening. A Luger in a shoulder holster would not hang quite as bad.

After the war was over, there were a lot of shoulder holster made for the American troops because we did like that type holster. The German civilians during this time would make anything for a few dollars so they could have food on the table, so many of these are actually post war made, with wartime materials.

Marvin

Lugerdoc · 07-07-2002, 10:42 AM

Wes, To answer your question, shoulder holsters were individually procured, rather than on a military contract. That's why most are not maker marked and dated as required for WaA acceptance. I probably have 2 dozen of these in stock in the $75 price range, and have never seen a WaAed one that I thought was right. Tom H. PS. Quite a few of mine have belt attachment straps, that make getting in or out of tight places, a lot easier.

John D. · 07-07-2002, 11:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair:
.. John D I have seen several of these shoulder holsters without the round cutout for the Luger magazine......<hr></blockquote>

Hi Jerry..!

Sorry - I almost missed your note.. Do you have a picture of one of those - I'd love to take a look at one!!! On mine - all the stiching matches exactly - so it would appear to my "untrained" eye on holsters (remember - I'm an HK bigot, and do *not* collect hosters [img]smile.gif[/img] ) that it was all done at the same time..?? Also - the hardware is correct for that period? And, as I mentioned - the digit stamps are correct as is the proof/orientation.

However - if you would like to look at it in person, and give me your opinion - I'd love to do that as well..!! Just let me know, OK???

07-05-2002, 11:15 PM	#1
Torquemada055 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sutter Creek, Ca. Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shoulder Holster I was wondering if there was ever an official shoulder holster made for any model of Luger ? I mean the type we would normally see in a gun store nowadys, like the ones from say Bianci. __________________ Always remember those who came before, they are the reason we can do the things we do.

07-06-2002, 03:31 PM	#2
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	<img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" /> Do you mean like these? __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

07-06-2002, 08:01 PM	#3
Torquemada055 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sutter Creek, Ca. Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why YES Hugh just like those ! I guess if you ask a question someone will jump on it fast ! Thanks for the answer, I really didn't expect that fast of a response with pics also.......... You guy's here are awesome !!!! __________________ Always remember those who came before, they are the reason we can do the things we do.

07-06-2002, 09:25 PM	#6
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	OK! Where can I buy a new reproduction? Does Lugerholsterrepair make them? __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

07-06-2002, 09:29 PM	#7
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Wm. Pete Ebbink: <strong>...John D.; I can't remember if yours was HK stamped or not ?..</strong><hr></blockquote> Hi Pete.. Yes - this one is is part of the "36" HK Rig (that's the "36" shown in the photo) - the holster is stamped 1936 with acceptance stamp above it. Here is a photo of the back of the holster (Luftwaffe Acceptance Stamp (LWaA2) just above the "1936" Date Stamp). Also - the digit dies match the "1936" on my "1936" HK - even to how the "3" and the "6" are slightly canted). Therefore, it is reasonable to deduce that this the holster was made after the production run of the "36" HKs and after the "1936" dies were available at the factory - in fact, it looks like there were actually 3 dies used - "19" die, a "3" and a "6"):

07-06-2002, 09:21 PM	#4
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Here is another for you:

07-06-2002, 09:24 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Guys with those neat shoulder holsters : Were any of these "official" ordnance issue ? Or did the soldiers and officers just get them on their own ? John D.; I can't remember if yours was HK stamped or not ? Thanks in advance for helping educate this beginner !!! <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

07-06-2002, 10:00 PM	#8
Brandon User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 329 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is it possible that this holster (John D's) might me a Luftwaffe pilot's holster? I know that on The Black Sheep Squadron whenever the pilots rushed to their planes they would grab their Pistols all in shoulder holsters. I don't know if the German pilots even carried a sidearm, I was just thinking and was kinda curious. [img]confused.gif[/img] Brandon

07-06-2002, 10:09 PM	#9
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Brandon: <strong>Is it possible that this holster...</strong><hr></blockquote> Hi Brandon, It's always fun to imagine - but if this RIG belonged to a Fighter Pilot - he sure didn't get scrambled too often [img]eek.gif[/img] The RIG is in excellent shape. Anyway, and more seriously - the Luger was a bit bulky for the confined cockpit of the fighters, and along with the rest of their gear - a fighter pilot usually opted for smaller firearms then the Luger. There are some pictures of pilots with Lugers - but usually they were of bomber pilots/crews/etc. Also - the paratroopers and the FLAK corps (and other groups) were also part of the Luftwaffe - and typically they would have been issued Lugers when a sidearm was required. Anyway - thanks for the note and comments!!!

07-06-2002, 10:19 PM	#10
Brandon User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 329 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh well....Maybe someday I'll get something right! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Brandon

07-06-2002, 10:27 PM	#11
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Brandon: <strong>Oh well....Maybe someday I'll get something right! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] </strong><hr></blockquote> Hey Brandon..!! We are all still learning about Lugers - it's what makes this hobby so fascinating, as there is always more to learn and new things to be discovered..!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

07-06-2002, 11:34 PM	#12
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Here's three more. <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> I don't know of any repros; but you can get a US surplus shoulder holster for the Colt 45 Auto and easily convert it for the Luger. <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

07-06-2002, 11:40 PM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Brandon, What you "have gotten right" is your keen interest in lugers at your age !!! If you buy one luger a year from now on until you are 70; you will have most of us beat, hands down !!! And if you hang in there and keep reading and learning, you might be the expert others are in awe of... No need to apologize when your enthusiasm makes up for it... <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

07-07-2002, 12:26 AM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Brandon, To answere your question, no, I do not make this holster. The reason being is,I do not use a sewing machine in my luger holster repair business and to make one of these with the speed necessary to sell it cheaply on the open market would require a $1500 dollar machine. The Luger collecting market is so small that it just would not pay to build a couple of newer holsters a year. I make almost everything emaginable such as artillery boots and double magazine pouches etc. but you would not believe how time consuming it is. I make them to museum quality specifications, such as hand hammering on brass or steel studs just as the Germans did at the turn of the century. This results in a higher price for these items and consequently it is only the descriminating collector who wants to pay for, and get, the best available in the world today. While I would certainly make almost anything a client asks of me it would not be the quality of items made in Poland or India , nor would the price be the same. Thanks for thinking of me, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-07-2002, 12:31 AM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	OOPs, I meant Wes instead of Brandon. Also John D I have seen several of these shoulder holsters without the round cutout for the Luger magazine...yours included, What do you make of this? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-07-2002, 01:06 AM	#16
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	A few years ago I bought a number of new shoulder holsters at a government surplus auction. They were made for the S&W Model 15 revolver that was standard US Air Force issue at one time. A 4" barrel Luger fits these holsters perfectly. I can post a picture of them if you like. They're made of black leather and I still have six, new in unopened boxes. I'll post them on the new "For Sale" forum if anyone is interested in one.

07-07-2002, 02:49 AM	#17
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Doubs, You're right! I have one of those and it fits the Luger like it was made for it! That must have been what I was thinking about when I mentioned converting the 1911 holster. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

07-07-2002, 07:30 AM	#18
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The discussion on Luftwaffe Pilots wearing a shoulder holster was probably true for the smaller handguns like the Walther PP, PPK, and the Hungarian .32 auto. The Luger would have been very bulky for a pilot. The Panzer Truppen wore shoulder hosters too. This would probably be where most of the Luger shoulder holster came from. The Panzer crewman had a small hatch to get into and out of and a pistol on the belt could hang in the opening. A Luger in a shoulder holster would not hang quite as bad. After the war was over, there were a lot of shoulder holster made for the American troops because we did like that type holster. The German civilians during this time would make anything for a few dollars so they could have food on the table, so many of these are actually post war made, with wartime materials. Marvin

07-07-2002, 10:42 AM	#19
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Wes, To answer your question, shoulder holsters were individually procured, rather than on a military contract. That's why most are not maker marked and dated as required for WaA acceptance. I probably have 2 dozen of these in stock in the $75 price range, and have never seen a WaAed one that I thought was right. Tom H. PS. Quite a few of mine have belt attachment straps, that make getting in or out of tight places, a lot easier. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-07-2002, 11:04 PM	#20
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair: <strong>.. John D I have seen several of these shoulder holsters without the round cutout for the Luger magazine......</strong><hr></blockquote> Hi Jerry..! Sorry - I almost missed your note.. Do you have a picture of one of those - I'd love to take a look at one!!! On mine - all the stiching matches exactly - so it would appear to my "untrained" eye on holsters (remember - I'm an HK bigot, and do not collect hosters [img]smile.gif[/img] ) that it was all done at the same time..?? Also - the hardware is correct for that period? And, as I mentioned - the digit stamps are correct as is the proof/orientation. However - if you would like to look at it in person, and give me your opinion - I'd love to do that as well..!! Just let me know, OK???