1923 Stock Patent...

Pete Ebbink · 10-14-2006, 07:47 PM

Developed in Reno, NV by a John F. Petritsch...a wire-frame luger stock, US Patent # 1477445 filed in 1923 :

http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EP...&QPN=US1477445

Another one developed in Montana State in 1912 :

http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US1016695

Augsburger · 10-14-2006, 09:15 PM

Pete....I can't believe you found this. I have a friend who has one and has been trying without success for a long time to find out what it is. (wire stock nr.1) I have tried the frame attached to see how it feels and it is very comfortable. It's actually made out of one piece of steel bent into this shape, quite ingenious in design, and very sturdy. Once again your research helps us all! Thanks!!!!

Pete Ebbink · 10-14-2006, 09:27 PM

Hi Glen,

The thanks should go to Martin Krause, firearms author, who lives in Germany.

He emailed some collectors a composite listing of all patents from all countries associated with the Luger.

I just found a web site which lists many of the US patents for the Luger without having to pay a fee for access to the patent documents.

Unfortunately, these pdf-files on the web site are protected and one can only view...not print.

Glad your friend has an answer. I am sure his stock might be quite valuable

. I would have him look into the BATF legalities of attaching one to any Luger...

BTW...any chance your friend would allow you to take photos for posting. I and others would probably love to see one "in person"...or at least in photos !!!

lugerholsterrepair · 10-14-2006, 09:49 PM

Pete, Unfortunately, these pdf-files on the web site are protected and one can only view...not print.

I was able to get some very good photographs off of my computer screen with my digital camera...They turned out quite well. Jerry Burney

Augsburger · 10-14-2006, 10:05 PM

Pete....what link are you using to pull up these files on espacenet.com? Having trouble getting to it. Will address the other questions as soon as I figure the site out.......G

Pete Ebbink · 10-14-2006, 10:18 PM

Try this :

http://ep.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=en_ep

You need to know the US or DE patent number to enter it into the search.

Try patent # DE544859 for a different type of trommel magazine Simson & Co. Suhl filed in 1931/1932. Once the results are shown, click on the "original documents" tab along the top and the original documents and illustrations will show up.

Here are the results for the Simson & Co TM-08 (...I am sure this will wake up Ed Tinker...) as now he has something else to add to his Simson & Co. collection

http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=DE544859

zinfull · 10-14-2006, 10:27 PM

This is pretty cool.

Try this. Open the link and save it to your hard drive. Then open that pdf file and save as jpeg. It will make 4 different pics but only one you need.

Jerry

Pete Ebbink · 10-14-2006, 10:35 PM

This one is as neat as teats on a mother cat :

http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US1367996

It is a carbine-type stock that remote mountes the Luger trigger back to the stock area. This is way cool !!! But then you need to cut your trigger guard off the Luger...

Designed by Vvaldyslaw Sussman in New York in 1919/1921...

Pete Ebbink · 10-14-2006, 10:40 PM

Zinful,

Great tip...that did the printing trick !!! THANKS

Edward Tinker · 10-14-2006, 10:58 PM

Thanks Pete, Martin sent this to me last winter, it is already in my book. I should say our book, Graham and I are up to 189 pages, not counting his 4 or 5 Simson' pictures to add (probably 2 pages per each of his Simsons).

We expect to publish in the Spring at the latest...

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 10-14-2006, 11:02 PM

German gunsmith Herbert Werle (who is an original LF member) even redesigned the thumb safety for the Luger in 2004. Imagine over 100 years later, folks are still working out the better design details of Georg's pistol :

http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=de10249970

Augsburger · 10-14-2006, 11:16 PM

Pete and Jerry...My 3 remaining limping grey cells won't allow me to figure out how to convert a pdf to jpeg. I have it saved to HD but that's it. Also, I'll get pics when I'm out in Az at the end of Oct.........G

Pete Ebbink · 10-14-2006, 11:25 PM

Glen,

When saving the file to your hard drive, the file save window pops up to ask you :

1. File name

2. Save As Type --- (here you can change the pdf-file type to a jpeg file type)

Or if you have the pdf-file on your HD and you have opened it and you can see the pdf-file on your screen, do the File Save again and switch the type, then.

Augsburger · 10-15-2006, 12:35 AM

Pietro...couldn't gat jpeg as an option....did the Jrry Burney trick and took pics. Also came out fine.....G

10-14-2006, 07:47 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	1923 Stock Patent... Developed in Reno, NV by a John F. Petritsch...a wire-frame luger stock, US Patent # 1477445 filed in 1923 : http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EP...&QPN=US1477445 Another one developed in Montana State in 1912 : http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US1016695

10-14-2006, 09:15 PM	#2
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	Pete....I can't believe you found this. I have a friend who has one and has been trying without success for a long time to find out what it is. (wire stock nr.1) I have tried the frame attached to see how it feels and it is very comfortable. It's actually made out of one piece of steel bent into this shape, quite ingenious in design, and very sturdy. Once again your research helps us all! Thanks!!!! __________________ Wilder Eber

10-14-2006, 09:49 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Pete, Unfortunately, these pdf-files on the web site are protected and one can only view...not print. I was able to get some very good photographs off of my computer screen with my digital camera...They turned out quite well. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-14-2006, 10:05 PM	#5
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	Pete....what link are you using to pull up these files on espacenet.com? Having trouble getting to it. Will address the other questions as soon as I figure the site out.......G __________________ Wilder Eber

10-14-2006, 10:58 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Thanks Pete, Martin sent this to me last winter, it is already in my book. I should say our book, Graham and I are up to 189 pages, not counting his 4 or 5 Simson' pictures to add (probably 2 pages per each of his Simsons). We expect to publish in the Spring at the latest... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-14-2006, 09:27 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Glen, The thanks should go to Martin Krause, firearms author, who lives in Germany. He emailed some collectors a composite listing of all patents from all countries associated with the Luger. I just found a web site which lists many of the US patents for the Luger without having to pay a fee for access to the patent documents. Unfortunately, these pdf-files on the web site are protected and one can only view...not print. Glad your friend has an answer. I am sure his stock might be quite valuable . I would have him look into the BATF legalities of attaching one to any Luger... BTW...any chance your friend would allow you to take photos for posting. I and others would probably love to see one "in person"...or at least in photos !!!

10-14-2006, 10:18 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Try this : http://ep.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=en_ep You need to know the US or DE patent number to enter it into the search. Try patent # DE544859 for a different type of trommel magazine Simson & Co. Suhl filed in 1931/1932. Once the results are shown, click on the "original documents" tab along the top and the original documents and illustrations will show up. Here are the results for the Simson & Co TM-08 (...I am sure this will wake up Ed Tinker...) as now he has something else to add to his Simson & Co. collection http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=DE544859

10-14-2006, 10:27 PM	#7
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 240 Thanks: 4 Thanked 32 Times in 15 Posts	This is pretty cool. Try this. Open the link and save it to your hard drive. Then open that pdf file and save as jpeg. It will make 4 different pics but only one you need. Jerry

10-14-2006, 10:35 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	This one is as neat as teats on a mother cat : http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US1367996 It is a carbine-type stock that remote mountes the Luger trigger back to the stock area. This is way cool !!! But then you need to cut your trigger guard off the Luger... Designed by Vvaldyslaw Sussman in New York in 1919/1921...

10-14-2006, 10:40 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Zinful, Great tip...that did the printing trick !!! THANKS

10-14-2006, 11:02 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	German gunsmith Herbert Werle (who is an original LF member) even redesigned the thumb safety for the Luger in 2004. Imagine over 100 years later, folks are still working out the better design details of Georg's pistol : http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=de10249970

10-14-2006, 11:16 PM	#12
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	Pete and Jerry...My 3 remaining limping grey cells won't allow me to figure out how to convert a pdf to jpeg. I have it saved to HD but that's it. Also, I'll get pics when I'm out in Az at the end of Oct.........G __________________ Wilder Eber

10-14-2006, 11:25 PM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Glen, When saving the file to your hard drive, the file save window pops up to ask you : 1. File name 2. Save As Type --- (here you can change the pdf-file type to a jpeg file type) Or if you have the pdf-file on your HD and you have opened it and you can see the pdf-file on your screen, do the File Save again and switch the type, then.

10-15-2006, 12:35 AM	#14
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	Pietro...couldn't gat jpeg as an option....did the Jrry Burney trick and took pics. Also came out fine.....G __________________ Wilder Eber