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Unread 12-06-2015, 10:39 AM   #1
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Default Man Accidentally Shot At Gun Show

Although rare it still happens. According to an AP article in this mornings paper "A man at a gun show in Phoenix was accidentally shot Saturday at a gun show at the Arizona State Fairgrounds by his friend that had recently purchased a semi-automatic hand gun when it discharged. His injuries are said not to be life-threatening but did enter his upper torso." It seems to me that it should be a requirement that all semi-automatic handguns should have a zip tie through the barrel and out the chamber to ensure that they don't have a round left after removal of the magazine.

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A local News Babe was heard to say; "the pistol was an antique". Yesterday, there was an EMT from the scene posting on a local Gun Forum that the round was a 7.62X28. The Shooter had just purchased the pistol, and it was his friend that was shot.

We were walking to the entrance when the Fire Dept responded. There was no indication that anything had happened. We talked to many vendors in that building, and not one alluded to the incident. I didn't realize it happened until I got home and visited said Forum.

This was not the 1st ND at a PHX area Gun Show. Locals have dubbed the other as "The Helicopter Lady" incident.
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Operated the gun too carelessly. If followed safety rules, this should never happen.
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Unread 12-09-2015, 08:16 PM   #4
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Agree completely Alvin. Seems to be a very common mistake people make with semi-auto's, they assume that if the mag is removed the gun is empty. While both the buyer and seller made the assumption that the pistol was empty I believe the seller should bear a slightly larger share of the blame, but then again he isn't the one that pulled the trigger.

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Unread 12-09-2015, 11:12 PM   #5
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At most gun shows I have set up, it is required to have a zip tie

This sure sounds like a owner who loaded it after buying, just sounds that way to me...
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Unread 12-10-2015, 01:37 AM   #6
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years ago when handed a p38 to look at, as I pulled the mag out, saw that it was loaded,chamber was cleared, the vendor had carried it to the show as a protection weapon and had put it on the table for sale, needless to say the was a public uproar.....
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Not long ago I was at a gushop and the armourer was talking to me while he was putting away a gun that somebody had just left for sale, then found that the gun had been left there fully loaded!
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Not long ago I was at a gushop and the armourer was talking to me while he was putting away a gun that somebody had just left for sale, then found that the gun had been left there fully loaded!
Happens all the time at my local shop; people are idiots.

The gun at the show was likely told to be "un-loaded"; everyone knows that only un-loaded guns have "accidental" discharges.
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No such thing as an accidental discharge.
All are negligent discharges.
I have not been to a show in a long time that did not require wire ties.
I have witnessed 4 ADs in my lifetime at gunshows, no injuries, but the fools had to pack up and leave.
All 20+ years ago.
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Unread 12-12-2015, 12:03 PM   #10
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Nobody uses zip ties any longer in my part Texas. Not even at the gun shows. I would think that insurance would compel them to make it a policy, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. All the weapons in the stores, pawn shops, and shows are ready to fire. I've even seen people dry fire pistols.
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In Montana zip ties are required on all table weapons and all brought in. Not 100 percent secure but better than none." It is hard to fix stupid". Bill
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+1 ^^^ Same here and peeps holding the show check each table before the doors open.
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I must agre with Mike, "accidental discharges" don't exist.
All are negligent discharges. and they happen everywhere unfortunately.
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The Houston Gun Collectors Association hosts the oldest and largest gun show in Texas. The HGCA has required zip ties on all firearms for many years. All of the public customers have their guns checked on admission and are tied. In fact, they may be one of the first shows in the country to require the use of ties. The HGCA also utilizes block captains to check the tables and customers for compliance.

Over the years there have been pistol discharges usual on setup day by dealers. Stupid lack of safety protocol by people that should know better.
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These incidents continue to happen way too frequently. Also, if someone forgets to follow all the other rules of gun safety at least they should always remember never to point a firearm at something they don't want to destroy. Bill
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Dick, The Houston Gun Collectors Association also does not allow the sale of ANY ammunition does it?
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There were many years that live ammo was not allowed at the HGCA shows. A few years ago the HGCA has allowed the sale of ammo at their shows. However, all new ammo must be in sealed containers and loose collectors ammo must be under glass. Unlike many shows, there are no loose or open rounds on any tables.
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SAXET (Yes, TEXAS spelled backwards) is our central Texas gun show host. I love the shows and I buy stuff there, but they are very careless in so many ways - ammo everywhere, too. But, even worse, unattended tables ! Vendors will walk off to visit or take a break and ask a neighbor to watch their table ?

But, like I said, I blame the city of Austin and Travis country, which stopped allowing guns shows in the county facility.
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Unread 12-17-2015, 09:47 AM   #19
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Simply walking a South Florida gun show will almost make you a gun control advocate.
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next show i'm going to i'm going to wear my vest!!! lol...
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