Krieghoff Object Lesson

Dwight Gruber · 07-28-2002, 02:43 AM

Its time for a Krieghoff object lesson, concerning the Krieghoff rework back frame stamp.

The photo below is of the back frame of a Luger currently for sale on a dealer website. I'm curious to know if this shares the characteristics of known-legitimate Krieghoff rework frame stamps.

My question has nothing to do with buying this gun.

Rather, I had a chance to examine one of these at a gun show a few months ago, and the picture in my mind's eye is different from this photograph. I'm not sure I remember accurately, as well, which prompts the question. I seem to remember the stamping being much clearer and cleaner, the broken F looked different, there was no halo, and I don't remember if SUHL was present or not.

Is it likely the gun I examined was faked, is the one in the photo questionable (the SUHL really bothers me), or is it my memory which is questionable?

--Dwight

drbuster · 07-28-2002, 11:02 AM

Dear Dwight, Pages 142-143 of Gibson's book shows several pics of these DWM/Krieghoff "reworks". The SUHL was probably stamped seperately from the KRIEGHOFF. There were apparently 3 variations of these reworks. The photo you posted seems legitimate but Ralph has cautioned that this variation has been faked. It most likely takes an experienced eye to tell. Herbert M. Fisher

George Anderson · 07-28-2002, 03:03 PM

Just out of curiosity, who is Ralph? Thanks.

Roadkill · 07-28-2002, 03:30 PM

Sir, he is Ralph Shattuck, well known long time Luger dealer. In the links section of the forum homepage there is a link to his business. Glad you are here.

RK

wterrell · 07-28-2002, 03:43 PM

George,

His website link is: http://www.worldoflugers.com/
You will have to pay to see what he has for sale.

He looks something like this:

--------Ralph Shattuck--------

George Anderson · 07-28-2002, 07:13 PM

OH, that Ralph, I have known Ralph for quite a few years and have spent thousands of dollars on lugers from him. If anyone would know what lugers are being faked, it would be Ralph.

Roadkill · 07-28-2002, 09:46 PM

Good point sir, very very good point.

RK

bradsimpson · 08-02-2002, 02:12 AM

Dwight,
All of the real Krieghoff marked 20 Commercials I have seen had an "i" suffix. Most of the fake ones had a different letter suffix. Do you remember the suffix letter of that gun?

Dwight Gruber · 08-02-2002, 03:55 AM

Brad, no sign of a serial# in the ad.

--Dwight

07-28-2002, 02:43 AM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,873 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,222 Times in 408 Posts	Krieghoff Object Lesson Its time for a Krieghoff object lesson, concerning the Krieghoff rework back frame stamp. The photo below is of the back frame of a Luger currently for sale on a dealer website. I'm curious to know if this shares the characteristics of known-legitimate Krieghoff rework frame stamps. My question has nothing to do with buying this gun. Rather, I had a chance to examine one of these at a gun show a few months ago, and the picture in my mind's eye is different from this photograph. I'm not sure I remember accurately, as well, which prompts the question. I seem to remember the stamping being much clearer and cleaner, the broken F looked different, there was no halo, and I don't remember if SUHL was present or not. Is it likely the gun I examined was faked, is the one in the photo questionable (the SUHL really bothers me), or is it my memory which is questionable? --Dwight

07-28-2002, 03:43 PM	#5
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	George, His website link is: http://www.worldoflugers.com/ You will have to pay to see what he has for sale. He looks something like this: --------Ralph Shattuck-------- __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

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07-28-2002, 11:02 AM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Dear Dwight, Pages 142-143 of Gibson's book shows several pics of these DWM/Krieghoff "reworks". The SUHL was probably stamped seperately from the KRIEGHOFF. There were apparently 3 variations of these reworks. The photo you posted seems legitimate but Ralph has cautioned that this variation has been faked. It most likely takes an experienced eye to tell. Herbert M. Fisher

07-28-2002, 03:03 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,590 Thanks: 1,698 Thanked 2,517 Times in 784 Posts	Just out of curiosity, who is Ralph? Thanks.

07-28-2002, 03:30 PM	#4
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Sir, he is Ralph Shattuck, well known long time Luger dealer. In the links section of the forum homepage there is a link to his business. Glad you are here. RK

07-28-2002, 07:13 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,590 Thanks: 1,698 Thanked 2,517 Times in 784 Posts	OH, that Ralph, I have known Ralph for quite a few years and have spent thousands of dollars on lugers from him. If anyone would know what lugers are being faked, it would be Ralph.

07-28-2002, 09:46 PM	#7
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Good point sir, very very good point. RK

08-02-2002, 02:12 AM	#8
bradsimpson User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Galesburg, IL Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts	Dwight, All of the real Krieghoff marked 20 Commercials I have seen had an "i" suffix. Most of the fake ones had a different letter suffix. Do you remember the suffix letter of that gun?

08-02-2002, 03:55 AM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,873 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,222 Times in 408 Posts	Brad, no sign of a serial# in the ad. --Dwight