Rare luger?

AMDECK · 09-22-2013, 11:56 PM

Hello, I have a friend who has a Luger that was given to him by his father. This Luger was taken from Franz Von Papen's son. His father captured him and confiscated his Luger and his dagger. I have the newspaper article that chronicles the whole story. It was in the Pittsburgh Sun Telegraph front page Sunday April 15th 1945. I wanted to get a good appraisal of the value for him. Does anyone have any suggestions?

DavidJayUden · 09-23-2013, 12:06 AM

Simpson's Ltd. and Legacy Collectables both do appraisals and could probably help you out. dju

tomaustin · 09-23-2013, 01:37 AM

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mrerick · 09-23-2013, 04:58 PM

Good advice I've heard many times is:

"Buy the gun, not the story"...

For a firearm to increase value because of some association with a famous individual, it has to be documented in some way that is irrefutable.

A newspaper article naming an individual that a firearm is acquired from may or may not establish that. The article naming the individual that received the firearm and a verifiable "Bring Back Paper" naming the individual with appropriate date may help you do better.

If you don't have this paperwork, look around and try and locate it.

Best wishes. We'd enjoy seeing the Luger as well.

Marc

lugerholsterrepair · 09-23-2013, 05:43 PM

PICTURES! Please..

nukem556 · 09-23-2013, 10:52 PM

Common sense would say that if the serial number of that Luger isn't recorded in the article or in bringback papers, the story that goes with it might be worth two or three dollars over any other equivalent Luger

alanint · 09-24-2013, 07:46 AM

In lieu of all the above, if the father still lives, a signed, notarized affidavit stating all the circumstances and facts of the capture, including the gun's serial number, would help, along with the newspaper article.

Otherwise, as noted, it is just a story.

Ben M. · 09-24-2013, 02:12 PM

a note about notarized documents. the notary only confirms that the person signing the document is the person they claim to be by showing the notary some current id such as a drivers license.

and it confirms the date that the document was signed by both people. the transaction is also recorded in the notary's book.

however, having it notarized does not certify the truth of what is written on the document. so it would still be a story, unproven.

09-22-2013, 11:56 PM	#1
AMDECK New User Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rare luger? Hello, I have a friend who has a Luger that was given to him by his father. This Luger was taken from Franz Von Papen's son. His father captured him and confiscated his Luger and his dagger. I have the newspaper article that chronicles the whole story. It was in the Pittsburgh Sun Telegraph front page Sunday April 15th 1945. I wanted to get a good appraisal of the value for him. Does anyone have any suggestions?

09-23-2013, 01:37 AM	#3
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	can you scan the story into the thread? .....

09-23-2013, 04:58 PM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Good advice I've heard many times is: "Buy the gun, not the story"... For a firearm to increase value because of some association with a famous individual, it has to be documented in some way that is irrefutable. A newspaper article naming an individual that a firearm is acquired from may or may not establish that. The article naming the individual that received the firearm and a verifiable "Bring Back Paper" naming the individual with appropriate date may help you do better. If you don't have this paperwork, look around and try and locate it. Best wishes. We'd enjoy seeing the Luger as well. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-23-2013, 05:43 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,931 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	PICTURES! Please.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-23-2013, 12:06 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Simpson's Ltd. and Legacy Collectables both do appraisals and could probably help you out. dju

09-23-2013, 10:52 PM	#6
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Common sense would say that if the serial number of that Luger isn't recorded in the article or in bringback papers, the story that goes with it might be worth two or three dollars over any other equivalent Luger

09-24-2013, 07:46 AM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	In lieu of all the above, if the father still lives, a signed, notarized affidavit stating all the circumstances and facts of the capture, including the gun's serial number, would help, along with the newspaper article. Otherwise, as noted, it is just a story.

09-24-2013, 02:12 PM	#8
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	a note about notarized documents. the notary only confirms that the person signing the document is the person they claim to be by showing the notary some current id such as a drivers license. and it confirms the date that the document was signed by both people. the transaction is also recorded in the notary's book. however, having it notarized does not certify the truth of what is written on the document. so it would still be a story, unproven.