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Neil Young · 05-18-2012, 03:23 PM

Is it just my impression, or has activity on this forum really tapered off in the past couple of months? I really miss the in depth discussions and I am not smart enough to start one.

Neil

John Sabato · 05-18-2012, 03:35 PM

This was a good start Neil! Lugerforum discussions vary depending on what interesting items have surfaced for sale recently and what new collectors have asked about. There have been a couple of good discussions lately, but overall I agree that the well has been pretty dry lately.

What we need is a good .45 caliber Luger to come out of the woodwork and we can debate it's orginality... that is always a lively topic...

Neil Young · 05-18-2012, 04:42 PM

Thanks John. I like the lively discussions, but I don't want to get the Russian Luger thing going again.

Neil

Neil Young · 05-18-2012, 04:49 PM

I'll try to get a small discussion started. I have a very nice "Brown Recluse" byf 42. I can't really understand why a "Black Widow" version is apparently worth more, or is more desirable than one with the nice walnut grips. To me, the baklite grips and the plactic base magazines look like a cheap version of the "real thing". I've got the feeling that if I ever want to sell this pistol, that I will have to get some bakelite grips (I've already got the magazine).

I know that this was a sales gimick, but evidently it has long legs now.

Neil

Norme · 05-18-2012, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Young

Thanks John. I like the lively discussions, but I don't want to get the Russian Luger thing going again.

Neil

Hi Niel, I didn't want to mention it, but Phoenix Investment Arms has just listed a 1906 Russian. Where's Albert when you need him?
Best regards, Norm

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/

Neil Young · 05-18-2012, 05:22 PM

Oh well, since the cat is out of the bag, maybe someone will take up the gauntlet.

Neil

siegersallee · 05-18-2012, 05:29 PM

hmmm...I saw that 1906 Russian luger at Phoenix Investments. I am certainly not an expert but my gut tells me that $12K is a little high.

I have looked at every luger on that site and I do believe that he is way high on many of his pistols.

On the other hand, you will have the peace of mind of knowing that you are getting a fine, as advertised luger when you buy from Phoenix; but you best go in with deep pockets.

But, you know...its not like you can just walk into a store and find a 1906 Russian Luger just any where...

Kitkat041836 · 05-18-2012, 05:33 PM

I think that if you let Harry Greer back on the fourm you will get
a lot of fourm Activity and great things to talk about.
Thanks George

lugerholsterrepair · 05-18-2012, 05:40 PM

George..Harry asked to be banned. Be carerful what you ask for. I offered a way for him to return and he turned up his nose at my generous offer so I think Harry has no interest in this Forum.

mrerick · 05-18-2012, 05:46 PM

Neil,

Price is all about supply and demand.

Value is all about perception.

By making a large number of people perceive the Bakelite grip / plastic magazine base version of the last Lugers as attractive and desirable (making them valuable) the demand grew as the supply remained stable. Thus the price rose. There will always be a limited number of original Lugers in their original factory configuration.

Interestingly, if you have the appropriate very late 1940, 1941 or 1942 Luger, you can make a "Black Widow" by adding the Bakelite grips - which were unnumbered - and then selling off the numbered ones separately. With a surplus of Bakelite grips you could make some money by branding the configuration to make it more memorable ("Black Widow" - now that is sinister isn't it...). Since the plastic base magazines were not numbered, if you had a number of these you'd even end up with a correct all matching configuration right down to the magazine.

A couple of years ago, I bought a Luger that Ralph Shattuck had sold, marketing it to the person I bought it from as a "Black Widow". That made it more valuable to him, and probably made the sale. Unfortunately, it was a 1939 Luger (a year or more prior to the start of the use of Bakelite grips). Fortunately, wood grips were not always numbered that year. So, I was able to correct the mis-match and have a pair of original brown/black grips (albeit two different types - Bakelite Type 1 and Type 4) spare. I just recently removed the black lacquer that had made them both appear Black for the widow.

Obviously, the correct configuration of the Luger was more valuable to me, and I spent the money for original grips to correct the defect. Now, if I can just find that correct numbered magazine!!!

Marc

sheepherder · 05-18-2012, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Niel, I didn't want to mention it, but Phoenix Investment Arms has just listed a 1906 Russian. Where's Albert when you need him?
Best regards, Norm

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/

I think even Albert would have to admit that this is a beautiful example of the 'later' Russian contract 1906 Lugers...And with a Tula stamped barrel!!! How rare can you get???

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/1480Russ06.htm

Lots of interesting facts stated there by PIA...

(Chamber graphic needs more white stuff...)

siegersallee · 05-18-2012, 06:21 PM

That really is a beautiful Luger...

Norme · 05-18-2012, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siegersallee

That really is a beautiful Luger...

Hi Richard, Before you get too excited, do a forum search on the seller, Phoenix Investment Arms (P.I.A). Regards, Norm

sheepherder · 05-18-2012, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siegersallee

That really is a beautiful Luger...

Looks hardly used...

I think Michael ******** should use some of his Facebook stock split/public offering profits and buy this excellent Russian Contract 1906 Luger...

alvin · 05-18-2012, 07:00 PM

Let's chasing good ones.... The Yugo contract FN 1922 on PIA looks great. My budget is tight these days though....

Norme · 05-18-2012, 07:43 PM

Here's a link to a recent thread featuring P.I.A. from the "other forum". Regards, Norm

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...restocking+fee

cirelaw · 05-19-2012, 12:17 AM

My first luger was Tom. It was a 1906 'Manufacture de Francaise' and nowI buy exclusivly from my favorite George' my new mentor. Tom fullfills a void, the history, although often embelished. I took 'LUGER 101' by reading his history section. ' He's been here as long as anyone. An example is some dirt bag "MAL AU CUE! you are writing about. As far as Tom, He alway been and will be there!. At least you can call if you have a question. If you are about to lay out thousands for a singular picture from a luger seller on just the web You really on a blind date. Lets try to buy from one our own! George opened a new window of excitement to me.Twentty-five years as a trial Lawyer taught me ask allot of questions.Face it your favorite luger has outlivd two of my exwives! Im sure many of you owned your favorite luger than any of you wives of girlfriends. Treat them well and the will be there longer than you!Today I got the nicest complaint from Jan himself, That was an A+ on my luger report card! Good Night!

Jan C Still · 05-19-2012, 01:04 AM

I agree with George in regards to Harry Greer!!
Jan

MFC · 05-19-2012, 01:43 AM

This might start some discussion...

Described as a Luger experimental sideplate from Switzerland.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Experi...item484562d755

alvin · 05-19-2012, 07:03 AM

AAC has a sale session today, including some nice Lugers, Mausers, Brownings, etc.

http://www.amoskeagauction.com/

05-18-2012, 03:23 PM	#1
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	Forum activity Is it just my impression, or has activity on this forum really tapered off in the past couple of months? I really miss the in depth discussions and I am not smart enough to start one. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

05-18-2012, 03:35 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	This was a good start Neil! Lugerforum discussions vary depending on what interesting items have surfaced for sale recently and what new collectors have asked about. There have been a couple of good discussions lately, but overall I agree that the well has been pretty dry lately. What we need is a good .45 caliber Luger to come out of the woodwork and we can debate it's orginality... that is always a lively topic... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-18-2012, 04:42 PM	#3
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	Thanks John. I like the lively discussions, but I don't want to get the Russian Luger thing going again. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

05-18-2012, 04:49 PM	#4
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	I'll try to get a small discussion started. I have a very nice "Brown Recluse" byf 42. I can't really understand why a "Black Widow" version is apparently worth more, or is more desirable than one with the nice walnut grips. To me, the baklite grips and the plactic base magazines look like a cheap version of the "real thing". I've got the feeling that if I ever want to sell this pistol, that I will have to get some bakelite grips (I've already got the magazine). I know that this was a sales gimick, but evidently it has long legs now. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

05-18-2012, 05:22 PM	#6
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	Oh well, since the cat is out of the bag, maybe someone will take up the gauntlet. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

05-18-2012, 05:29 PM	#7
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 105 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	hmmm...I saw that 1906 Russian luger at Phoenix Investments. I am certainly not an expert but my gut tells me that $12K is a little high. I have looked at every luger on that site and I do believe that he is way high on many of his pistols. On the other hand, you will have the peace of mind of knowing that you are getting a fine, as advertised luger when you buy from Phoenix; but you best go in with deep pockets. But, you know...its not like you can just walk into a store and find a 1906 Russian Luger just any where...

05-18-2012, 05:33 PM	#8
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	Fourm Activity I think that if you let Harry Greer back on the fourm you will get a lot of fourm Activity and great things to talk about. Thanks George

05-18-2012, 05:40 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,762 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	George..Harry asked to be banned. Be carerful what you ask for. I offered a way for him to return and he turned up his nose at my generous offer so I think Harry has no interest in this Forum. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-18-2012, 05:46 PM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Neil, Price is all about supply and demand. Value is all about perception. By making a large number of people perceive the Bakelite grip / plastic magazine base version of the last Lugers as attractive and desirable (making them valuable) the demand grew as the supply remained stable. Thus the price rose. There will always be a limited number of original Lugers in their original factory configuration. Interestingly, if you have the appropriate very late 1940, 1941 or 1942 Luger, you can make a "Black Widow" by adding the Bakelite grips - which were unnumbered - and then selling off the numbered ones separately. With a surplus of Bakelite grips you could make some money by branding the configuration to make it more memorable ("Black Widow" - now that is sinister isn't it...). Since the plastic base magazines were not numbered, if you had a number of these you'd even end up with a correct all matching configuration right down to the magazine. A couple of years ago, I bought a Luger that Ralph Shattuck had sold, marketing it to the person I bought it from as a "Black Widow". That made it more valuable to him, and probably made the sale. Unfortunately, it was a 1939 Luger (a year or more prior to the start of the use of Bakelite grips). Fortunately, wood grips were not always numbered that year. So, I was able to correct the mis-match and have a pair of original brown/black grips (albeit two different types - Bakelite Type 1 and Type 4) spare. I just recently removed the black lacquer that had made them both appear Black for the widow. Obviously, the correct configuration of the Luger was more valuable to me, and I spent the money for original grips to correct the defect. Now, if I can just find that correct numbered magazine!!! Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-18-2012, 06:21 PM	#12
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 105 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	That really is a beautiful Luger...

05-18-2012, 07:00 PM	#15
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Let's chasing good ones.... The Yugo contract FN 1922 on PIA looks great. My budget is tight these days though....

05-18-2012, 07:43 PM	#16
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,415 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,594 Times in 931 Posts	Here's a link to a recent thread featuring P.I.A. from the "other forum". Regards, Norm http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...restocking+fee

05-19-2012, 12:17 AM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	My first luger was Tom. It was a 1906 'Manufacture de Francaise' and nowI buy exclusivly from my favorite George' my new mentor. Tom fullfills a void, the history, although often embelished. I took 'LUGER 101' by reading his history section. ' He's been here as long as anyone. An example is some dirt bag "MAL AU CUE! you are writing about. As far as Tom, He alway been and will be there!. At least you can call if you have a question. If you are about to lay out thousands for a singular picture from a luger seller on just the web You really on a blind date. Lets try to buy from one our own! George opened a new window of excitement to me.Twentty-five years as a trial Lawyer taught me ask allot of questions.Face it your favorite luger has outlivd two of my exwives! Im sure many of you owned your favorite luger than any of you wives of girlfriends. Treat them well and the will be there longer than you!Today I got the nicest complaint from Jan himself, That was an A+ on my luger report card! Good Night!

05-19-2012, 01:04 AM	#18
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	I agree with George in regards to Harry Greer!! Jan

05-19-2012, 01:43 AM	#19
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	This might start some discussion... Described as a Luger experimental sideplate from Switzerland. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Experi...item484562d755 __________________ Mike C.

05-19-2012, 07:03 AM	#20
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	AAC has a sale session today, including some nice Lugers, Mausers, Brownings, etc. http://www.amoskeagauction.com/