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Big Norm · 09-24-2001, 01:44 PM

John,

Yah, I agree that this is a very unusual configuration.I have never seen or heard of it until I saw your pictures. Very interesting. I am curious enough to want to know more about it.But I also agree with you that it would probably be very inconvenient to carry. Maybe it would, because of it unusualness, be a candidate for Luger of the Month if someone on the forum actually possessed one. Thanks for the pictures.

Big Norm

John Sabato · 09-24-2001, 02:11 PM

The LOM photos are always exceptional.

Does any Lugerforum member own one of these B-T stocks? Please speak up!

-John

bill m · 09-24-2001, 02:17 PM

Hi,

While at the Kansas City Gun show a couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to look at and handle one of these from a collector who was walking by and just wanted to share this unique item. As I remember, they are light and are not clumsy at all. They fold right out and make a great little stock. As I recall there were something like less than 200 made and the one we were looking at was like serial number 77. This one was in excellent condition and worked great. Folded and unfolded in just a split second. Was light, and looked fairly sturdy and stout. I think they sell in the 5 digit range, and are seldom ever seen unless you get to view one of the really advanced collections.

John Sabato · 09-24-2001, 02:24 PM

couple of photos.

Bill, If you are personally acquainted with an owner , how about asking them if they would like a piece of their collection showcased here on the forum?

-John

09-24-2001, 03:48 PM

tony k · 09-24-2001, 06:52 PM

Nope, as noted in the posting that prompted this thread, the Benke-Thiemann has been specifically exempted from NFA classification as a short-barrelled rifle, and thus the originals are legal.

tony k · 09-24-2001, 06:57 PM

.... never heard of one 'til I came across it on the ATF exemption list -- I was beginning to wonder if they even existed. I shoulda known someone here would at least have a pic.

John Sabato · 09-25-2001, 03:38 PM

Big Norm · 09-25-2001, 09:43 PM

Somehow,I knew that I had seen one of these contraptions before. So I did some digging. Simpson had one on the cover of his September 1995 handout. It was a commercial 1920 Benke Thiemann Rig 30 cal, 97% blue and 70% straw. Original Benke holster and he said that it is pictured in Multi-National Pistol page 160-161. The price was a mere $14,000. That was when $14,000 ment something.

Big Norm

John Sabato · 09-26-2001, 10:04 AM

I'd like to add that to my photo collection...

TIA,

John

John Sabato · 09-26-2001, 01:29 PM

09-26-2001, 02:41 PM

Today Thor let me borrow a book call Luger: The Multi-National Pistol by Charles Kenyon, Jr. On page 160 of this book there are three nice photos of the Benk-Thiemann shoulder stock and a short paragraph about it. Thought I would pass this along to all of you just in case you were interested.

Sid.

09-24-2001, 01:03 PM	#1
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Tony K, --Benke-Thiemann folding Luger stock Photo Looks like a very unusual instrument... but probably not convenient to carry... If anyone has other photos of this type of stock I would love to add them to my photo collection... regards, John http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Bt_stock.jpg

09-24-2001, 01:44 PM	#2
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Tony K, --Benke-Thiemann folding Luger stock Photo John, Yah, I agree that this is a very unusual configuration.I have never seen or heard of it until I saw your pictures. Very interesting. I am curious enough to want to know more about it.But I also agree with you that it would probably be very inconvenient to carry. Maybe it would, because of it unusualness, be a candidate for Luger of the Month if someone on the forum actually possessed one. Thanks for the pictures. Big Norm

09-24-2001, 02:11 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	UR Welcome Norm, but we would have to have better photos than these... The LOM photos are always exceptional. Does any Lugerforum member own one of these B-T stocks? Please speak up! -John

09-24-2001, 02:17 PM	#4
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Tony K, --Benke-Thiemann folding Luger stock Photo Hi, While at the Kansas City Gun show a couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to look at and handle one of these from a collector who was walking by and just wanted to share this unique item. As I remember, they are light and are not clumsy at all. They fold right out and make a great little stock. As I recall there were something like less than 200 made and the one we were looking at was like serial number 77. This one was in excellent condition and worked great. Folded and unfolded in just a split second. Was light, and looked fairly sturdy and stout. I think they sell in the 5 digit range, and are seldom ever seen unless you get to view one of the really advanced collections.

09-24-2001, 02:24 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Hopefully one of the "advanced" collectors would be willing to share a couple of photos. Bill, If you are personally acquainted with an owner , how about asking them if they would like a piece of their collection showcased here on the forum? -John

09-24-2001, 03:48 PM	#6
Martin Guest Posts: n/a	Isn't it an ATF no no? (EOM)

09-24-2001, 06:52 PM	#7
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Isn't it an ATF no no? Nope, as noted in the posting that prompted this thread, the Benke-Thiemann has been specifically exempted from NFA classification as a short-barrelled rifle, and thus the originals are legal.

09-24-2001, 06:57 PM	#8
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Wow! Thanks, John.... .... never heard of one 'til I came across it on the ATF exemption list -- I was beginning to wonder if they even existed. I shoulda known someone here would at least have a pic.

09-25-2001, 03:38 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Your Welcome!.... (EOM)

09-25-2001, 09:43 PM	#10
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Your Welcome!.... Somehow,I knew that I had seen one of these contraptions before. So I did some digging. Simpson had one on the cover of his September 1995 handout. It was a commercial 1920 Benke Thiemann Rig 30 cal, 97% blue and 70% straw. Original Benke holster and he said that it is pictured in Multi-National Pistol page 160-161. The price was a mere $14,000. That was when $14,000 ment something. Big Norm

09-26-2001, 10:04 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Can anyone send me a copy of the photo Norm mentioned? I'd like to add that to my photo collection... TIA, John

09-26-2001, 01:29 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Thanks Rick! Appreciate your assistance... (EOM)

09-26-2001, 02:41 PM	#13
Sid Gariss Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thanks Rick! Appreciate your assistance... Today Thor let me borrow a book call Luger: The Multi-National Pistol by Charles Kenyon, Jr. On page 160 of this book there are three nice photos of the Benk-Thiemann shoulder stock and a short paragraph about it. Thought I would pass this along to all of you just in case you were interested. Sid.