Bang, Whoops, Bang, Whoops.....!

adlerauger · 02-25-2010, 11:11 PM

I got to the range today for my DWM's maiden voyage. I had four mags and two different brands of ammunition; Winchester 93 gr, FMJ, and Fiocchi 93 gr, Semi jacketed soft point.
I shot approximately 30 rounds of each, while rotating the four mags. While the weapon itself was accurate, the problem I had was with feeding. I only loaded six to seven rounds each, and the Fiocchi seemed to have a bigger problem feeding than the Winchester. The round would get jammed at about a forty-five degree angle, half-way up the loading ramp. These jams weren't consistent however as some mags ( not always the same one ) emptied all rounds without a jam, and some jamed on first round. All in all, the Winchester with the FMJ performed better. The soft lead noses of the Fiocchi showed modest gouges in front end on lead after a jam.
As for accuracy, I'm pleased with the results. Many, if not most of the hits were touching each other. Mind you, it was only at fifteen yards, just for a test run.
The Luger is a 1922 DWM, commercial, ser#9805-k, and in .30 cal.
Awaiting the jury's decision
Adler Auger

John Sabato · 02-26-2010, 08:36 AM

Lugers are magazine finicky... Fiocchi is notorious for being underpowered in Luger calibers... Possibly not enough recoil to overcome the loading resistance.

ID the mags that work well with your Commercial Luger and use them for shooting. Mark the others for display only, or sell them... Just my $0.02

Luger accuracy, even with a poor bore condition is inherent in the design. They are remarkably accurate for a production handgun. Enjoy your shooter.

adlerauger · 02-26-2010, 11:05 PM

I'm going to buy 5 boxes of Remington .30 cal luger from a friend, and I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it.
So far, Fiocchi and Winchester are the only brands I've fed to my DWM, and as I've explained in the above post, it was with a mixed bag of results.
Thanks in advance for any and all input.
Adler Auger

alterfritz · 02-27-2010, 05:24 AM

Contact G.T. Here in the forum. I had similar problems with my Luger and he fixed all my magazines and made some new ones, now they all work without misfire with any factory load I tried so far

unspellable · 03-20-2010, 07:01 AM

Remington discontinued their 30 Luger load some time ago, so any you find have been sitting around for a while. Years ago, I used the Remington load. In those days we didn't have chronographs around so I never clocked them. But according my not to be trusted, unreliable, and faulty memory they seemed to be a trifle hotter than today's Winchester load which would be a good thing as today's Winchester load is rather anemic. (As shown by running them over a chrono.)

Lugerdoc · 03-20-2010, 10:11 AM

The GT custom mags may well solve your problems,or I do carry his more powerful mag springs @$10 each if you want to try repairing your mags. You may also want to give your luger a good ramp polish and make sure that all moving parts are fitted properly for smooth operation. TH

adlerauger · 03-23-2010, 11:44 PM

Sorry for the long delay in saying thanks for all the good advice.
I've been uber-busy lately and haven't visited the forum. I just received an early mag that GT put a new spring and a wood base.
I don't know whether to use it or frame it, it's so darn nice!
I'll report back with results from my newly acquired Remington .30 cal, and GT's mag.
Thanks Again,
Adler Auger

02-25-2010, 11:11 PM	#1
adlerauger User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 50 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bang, Whoops, Bang, Whoops.....! I got to the range today for my DWM's maiden voyage. I had four mags and two different brands of ammunition; Winchester 93 gr, FMJ, and Fiocchi 93 gr, Semi jacketed soft point. I shot approximately 30 rounds of each, while rotating the four mags. While the weapon itself was accurate, the problem I had was with feeding. I only loaded six to seven rounds each, and the Fiocchi seemed to have a bigger problem feeding than the Winchester. The round would get jammed at about a forty-five degree angle, half-way up the loading ramp. These jams weren't consistent however as some mags ( not always the same one ) emptied all rounds without a jam, and some jamed on first round. All in all, the Winchester with the FMJ performed better. The soft lead noses of the Fiocchi showed modest gouges in front end on lead after a jam. As for accuracy, I'm pleased with the results. Many, if not most of the hits were touching each other. Mind you, it was only at fifteen yards, just for a test run. The Luger is a 1922 DWM, commercial, ser#9805-k, and in .30 cal. Awaiting the jury's decision Adler Auger

02-26-2010, 08:36 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Lugers are magazine finicky... Fiocchi is notorious for being underpowered in Luger calibers... Possibly not enough recoil to overcome the loading resistance. ID the mags that work well with your Commercial Luger and use them for shooting. Mark the others for display only, or sell them... Just my $0.02 Luger accuracy, even with a poor bore condition is inherent in the design. They are remarkably accurate for a production handgun. Enjoy your shooter. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-26-2010, 11:05 PM	#3
adlerauger User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 50 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ammo roulette I'm going to buy 5 boxes of Remington .30 cal luger from a friend, and I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it. So far, Fiocchi and Winchester are the only brands I've fed to my DWM, and as I've explained in the above post, it was with a mixed bag of results. Thanks in advance for any and all input. Adler Auger

03-20-2010, 10:11 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The GT custom mags may well solve your problems,or I do carry his more powerful mag springs @$10 each if you want to try repairing your mags. You may also want to give your luger a good ramp polish and make sure that all moving parts are fitted properly for smooth operation. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-23-2010, 11:44 PM	#7
adlerauger User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 50 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks all Sorry for the long delay in saying thanks for all the good advice. I've been uber-busy lately and haven't visited the forum. I just received an early mag that GT put a new spring and a wood base. I don't know whether to use it or frame it, it's so darn nice! I'll report back with results from my newly acquired Remington .30 cal, and GT's mag. Thanks Again, Adler Auger

02-27-2010, 05:24 AM	#4
alterfritz User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: California Posts: 63 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Contact G.T. Here in the forum. I had similar problems with my Luger and he fixed all my magazines and made some new ones, now they all work without misfire with any factory load I tried so far

03-20-2010, 07:01 AM	#5
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts	Remington discontinued their 30 Luger load some time ago, so any you find have been sitting around for a while. Years ago, I used the Remington load. In those days we didn't have chronographs around so I never clocked them. But according my not to be trusted, unreliable, and faulty memory they seemed to be a trifle hotter than today's Winchester load which would be a good thing as today's Winchester load is rather anemic. (As shown by running them over a chrono.)