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Serial 6674i
This is a seldom seen Krieghoff variation, and certainly a very early one. The back frame of this gun is stamped Krieghoff, and the stamp appears odd. However, there is provenance of another struck exactly the same in an old Luger reference book, so I am inclined to believe that the stamp was in some way damaged when these guns were marked, and that the gun is correct. A forger would have done a much better job. Considerable halo-ing is seen around the Krieghoff Suhl stamp. Caliber 7.65 Luger. Stamped DWM on the toggle, vertical C/N on the left side frame, and C/N sideways on the breechblock. C/N on underside of barrel, commercial style numbering on gun. Marked Germany on right side of upper frame just behind barrel. Plain wood bottom mag. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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These were not made by Krieghoff. They bought them from DWM and placed their stamp on them. The second f is always defective. This varies as can be seen in Randall Gibsons Krieghoff book. They are all in the i serial suffix. I sold one of these a few months ago. Nice pictures,keep them coming. Bill
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I was fortunate enough to acquire an un-dated but obviously pre-war Krieghoff catalogue and pricelist. On the order form in the back of the catalogue it lists Automatische pistolen, among them, Parabellums Kal 7.65MM for RM58. This clearly establishes that Krieghoff sold them; I have been unable to find any data that proces Krieghoff did overhauls or any other work on DWM pistols.
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Another gun already in the database, this one from Gibson's book. Glad to know the proof details, could you tell me if this one is GERMANY marked? Thanks much. --Dwight |
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Marked Germany on right side of upper frame just behind barrel.
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Not to be too picky, but--frame or receiver?
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It is marked on the upper half, the receiver, just behind where the barrel joins, and on the right hand side.
Sorry to be unclear, I can see how what I wrote could have been ambiguous.
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Since this Luger is textbook DWM, are you maintaining that the back frame marking is only for sales/distribution and that Krieghoff received completed guns to sell and had no hand in their construction or assembly?
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Ron,
I am not maintaining anything as I have no documentation on any DWM guns sold by Krieghoff other than the catalogue I mentioned. I have an almost exact dupilcate of the pistol displayed earlier in this thread, to include the bad die marks, but what it all means , well, I am uncertain. As we know, Simpson had the Reichswehr contract for refurbishment; could there have been a parallel., private Krieghoff program that took guns that were "Gone to PDO" and Krieghoff bought them, re-hashed them and then retailed them? BTFOOM! Who knows? I have no theory, yet I have 20...all of which are pure speculation. One of the joys of this obsession we have. Tom A |
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