Loading Tool Question

Aaron · 07-16-2001, 06:49 PM

Would it be incorrect to have the following marked loading tool with a byf 42 rig: W 154 proof in a horizontal letter H? Is it more correct to use a tool proofed with a stick eagle over 655?

Johnny Peppers · 07-16-2001, 07:24 PM

The W154 is a much earlier tool, and either the E/655 or E/135 would be correct.

Johnny Peppers · 07-16-2001, 07:30 PM

I spoke without checking, and according to Still all 42 dates were E/135. Anyway the E/655 would be closer than the W154.

Aaron · 07-16-2001, 07:57 PM

Thank you, John. Anyone want to trade an E/135 for an E/655?

Johnny Peppers · 07-16-2001, 08:37 PM

I collect the loading tools and looked a long time before I found the E/135. I am noticing a lot of apparently fake tools at the shows now. When you see a ring with 6 or 8 tools that are so rare that you have only see 1 or 2 in all your years of collecting, something is apparently rotten. Not only that but there will be several varieties of rare tools available.

Mark McMorrow · 07-16-2001, 09:24 PM

What about an unmarked loading tool (but one that is absolutely original - came in the holster, right from the vet)?

Mark

07-16-2001, 10:18 PM

Most of these are DWM production, but I have also seen a few unmaked high polish blue ones that I suspect are Mauser commericals.

Aaron · 07-17-2001, 01:26 AM

I do already have a suitable unmarked one, but my references say that the E/655 tool is okay through 1941. Now the mint holster I have is dated 1941. So did the tools come with the holster or the gun? It seems to me that the holsters and the mags went to the Mauser factory from the manufacturers and the outfits were pieced together by Mauser. Nicht wahr?

Luke · 07-17-2001, 06:13 AM

As if there were not enough confusion, I found the following ad while doing an Internet search for "Luger Loading Tool."

****Nice reproduction of the original style loading tool issued with every Luger pistol. As an added bonus, these tools have been STAMPED WITH THE ORIGINAL STYLE EAGLE/63 WAFFENAMT MARKING. Blued finish, will work with any Luger pistolÃ¢?Â¦$12.50 each***

07-17-2001, 07:56 AM

Aaron, To the best of my knowledge, The lugers were shipped in multi-gun crates by the manufactures to the military warehouse for distribution to various units. Whereas the holster manufacturers shipped these to the clothing issue facilites, where they might be mixed in with old rehabed used holster, which were then issued to recruit depots, units for replacement, etc. for further issue to individuals. If the German military was like ours, some individual then had to sign for his to be turned in at a later date or paid for.

07-17-2001, 08:03 AM

Aaron, These E/63 Sarco tools are fairly easy to spot, as they were stamped quite deeply and you will see the outline of the whole die face around the waffenamp. The harder repros to spot are the Crown/S Imperial tools coming out of Germany.

Marvin · 07-17-2001, 08:29 AM

Tom,

You are so correct that the repros are easy to spot, for now! I have seen a couple of these for sale and the actual body of the tool was not up to the standards of the original tool. What scares me is that whoever is making them will see their problems, correct them, and make tools that will be difficult to determine from an original. I hope the manufacturers are doing the deep stamping so folks can tell they are repros.

Marvin

Johnny Peppers · 07-17-2001, 08:35 AM

I agree with Tom that the unmarked tools are in all likelyhood DWM tools. Mauser even marked their replacement tools with the 42 code.

The tools that are hardest to spot are the newly stamped ones on original unmarked tools. This is where I am seeing the really rare tools show up in numbers.

07-16-2001, 06:49 PM	#1
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Loading Tool Question Would it be incorrect to have the following marked loading tool with a byf 42 rig: W 154 proof in a horizontal letter H? Is it more correct to use a tool proofed with a stick eagle over 655?

07-16-2001, 07:24 PM	#2
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Loading Tool Question The W154 is a much earlier tool, and either the E/655 or E/135 would be correct.

07-16-2001, 07:30 PM	#3
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Loading Tool Question I spoke without checking, and according to Still all 42 dates were E/135. Anyway the E/655 would be closer than the W154.

07-16-2001, 07:57 PM	#4
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Loading Tool Question Thank you, John. Anyone want to trade an E/135 for an E/655?

07-16-2001, 08:37 PM	#5
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Loading Tool Question I collect the loading tools and looked a long time before I found the E/135. I am noticing a lot of apparently fake tools at the shows now. When you see a ring with 6 or 8 tools that are so rare that you have only see 1 or 2 in all your years of collecting, something is apparently rotten. Not only that but there will be several varieties of rare tools available.

07-16-2001, 09:24 PM	#6
Mark McMorrow User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NE USA Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Loading Tool Question What about an unmarked loading tool (but one that is absolutely original - came in the holster, right from the vet)? Mark

07-16-2001, 10:18 PM	#7
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re:Unmarked Loading tools Most of these are DWM production, but I have also seen a few unmaked high polish blue ones that I suspect are Mauser commericals.

07-17-2001, 01:26 AM	#8
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re:Unmarked Loading tools I do already have a suitable unmarked one, but my references say that the E/655 tool is okay through 1941. Now the mint holster I have is dated 1941. So did the tools come with the holster or the gun? It seems to me that the holsters and the mags went to the Mauser factory from the manufacturers and the outfits were pieced together by Mauser. Nicht wahr?

07-17-2001, 06:13 AM	#9
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Loading Tool Question As if there were not enough confusion, I found the following ad while doing an Internet search for "Luger Loading Tool." **Nice reproduction of the original style loading tool issued with every Luger pistol. As an added bonus, these tools have been STAMPED WITH THE ORIGINAL STYLE EAGLE/63 WAFFENAMT MARKING. Blued finish, will work with any Luger pistolÃ¢?Â¦$12.50 each*

07-17-2001, 07:56 AM	#10
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re:Unmarked Loading tools Aaron, To the best of my knowledge, The lugers were shipped in multi-gun crates by the manufactures to the military warehouse for distribution to various units. Whereas the holster manufacturers shipped these to the clothing issue facilites, where they might be mixed in with old rehabed used holster, which were then issued to recruit depots, units for replacement, etc. for further issue to individuals. If the German military was like ours, some individual then had to sign for his to be turned in at a later date or paid for.

07-17-2001, 08:03 AM	#11
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Loading Tool Question Aaron, These E/63 Sarco tools are fairly easy to spot, as they were stamped quite deeply and you will see the outline of the whole die face around the waffenamp. The harder repros to spot are the Crown/S Imperial tools coming out of Germany.

07-17-2001, 08:29 AM	#12
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Loading Tool Question Tom, You are so correct that the repros are easy to spot, for now! I have seen a couple of these for sale and the actual body of the tool was not up to the standards of the original tool. What scares me is that whoever is making them will see their problems, correct them, and make tools that will be difficult to determine from an original. I hope the manufacturers are doing the deep stamping so folks can tell they are repros. Marvin

07-17-2001, 08:35 AM	#13
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Loading Tool Question I agree with Tom that the unmarked tools are in all likelyhood DWM tools. Mauser even marked their replacement tools with the 42 code. The tools that are hardest to spot are the newly stamped ones on original unmarked tools. This is where I am seeing the really rare tools show up in numbers.