"All matching" doesn't mean "all original"

Don M · 05-05-2011, 01:12 PM

Based on the number of WTB notices looking for specifically numbered side plates and other numbered components, I have come to the conclusion that "all matching" is not synonymous with "all original" and that this is generally accepted by the collecting community. Sad!

Norme · 05-05-2011, 01:39 PM

Gee Don! Another illusion shattered. First it was the Tooth Fairy, then Santa Claus, sometime later the Extra Virgin, and now this, the all matching Luger. Where will it all end? Best regards, Norm

John Sabato · 05-05-2011, 02:17 PM

I Concur Don.

My Lugers only match the shape of my hand to the Grip... and they hit where I point them, so I still love'em.

cirelaw · 05-05-2011, 02:27 PM

My first girlfriend swore she was a vigin till she wound up pregnant and not from me, and 'The check is in the mail!!!

alanint · 05-05-2011, 02:41 PM

One can only hope that this was not while you were dating her, Eric!

A.Mifsin · 05-05-2011, 02:41 PM

But if one finds an original matching part for his Luger, the part is original, so, all matching and original.

Alf.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-05-2011, 02:55 PM

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...t=amazing+find

I never have looked for matching parts but I did find one!!!

Don M · 05-05-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

Gee Don! Another illusion shattered. First it was the Tooth Fairy, then Santa Claus, sometime later the Extra Virgin, and now this, the all matching Luger. Where will it all end? Best regards, Norm

I'm still holding out hope for the Easter Bunny!!!

Vlim · 05-05-2011, 03:59 PM

Well, it's the market after all.

If the market is prepared to pay extra for a fully matching 'original' gun, then the sellers will supply them. Same goes for 'matching' magazines and 'full matching rigs'.

Edward Tinker · 05-05-2011, 05:31 PM

A couple of years ago, a friend of mine bought a luger from a dealer; when he got it, it was missing the number and proof on the safety bar if I remember correctly.

He decided against it and sent it back.

But it seemed to acquire the correct number and proof a few weeks later...

Ed

sheepherder · 05-05-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Don M

I'm still holding out hope for the Easter Bunny!!!

I'd settle for an Honest Politician...

FNorm · 05-05-2011, 06:46 PM

AH Rich.

Quoting from B. Franklin, " An honest politician is one who when bought, stays bought"

FN

mlmahon · 05-05-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

I'd settle for an Honest Politician...

Isn't that called an oxymoron?

John D. · 05-08-2011, 09:47 AM

OK, here is the other side of the coin..? I brought in a Mauser Banner police the other day in excellent condition. A vet's grandson brought it in for his grandmother, as she didn't want it in the house any longer, along with some other bring-back items. The banner was in stunning all original condition (along with the police holster) and everything matched EXCEPT the hold open, which was ONE diget off (26 instead of 27)..

So, what's more important - original or matched?

We collectors are a fickle bunch

Best to all..!!!!

John D.

Norme · 05-08-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by A.Mifsin

But if one finds an original matching part for his Luger, the part is original, so, all matching and original.

Alf.

Alf raises an interesting philosophical point similar to the age-old question "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is present to hear it, does it make a sound?". Similarly, if a Luger has had a part replaced and no one can tell, is it original and matching? Regards, Norm

sheepherder · 05-08-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by John D.

So, what's more important - original or matched?

Is there really such a thing as "original"??? Armorers; factory refurbs; field expedient repairs; routine replacement of wearing components...

Not talking about Chinese/Numrich [same thing] parts...but "original" DWM/Simson/Mauser/Krieghoff/Erfurt parts...

If the part is original...isn't the pistol "original"???

MikeP · 05-09-2011, 11:25 AM

I got a 1910, unit marked to 1st Uhlans. I've owned it 45 years.
The hold open is replaced.
It's a mismatch as far as I'm concerned. Original and matching same - same for my era.
Armourer replacement is just that-replacement.
I would not devalue it a lot for such a small thing, but I would point it out to a buyer.

wlyon · 05-09-2011, 04:24 PM

MikeP
Agree especially with your last statement. I feel we are so enamoured with all matching that if a firing pin or holdopen etc is mismatched it immediately becomes the dreaded " Shooter". Our demand for totally matching and perfect finish is what creates the fakers market. And I believe many of our all matching, perfect finish lugers are fakes. Bill

05-05-2011, 01:12 PM	#1
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	"All matching" doesn't mean "all original" Based on the number of WTB notices looking for specifically numbered side plates and other numbered components, I have come to the conclusion that "all matching" is not synonymous with "all original" and that this is generally accepted by the collecting community. Sad! __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

05-05-2011, 02:17 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I Concur Don. My Lugers only match the shape of my hand to the Grip... and they hit where I point them, so I still love'em. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-05-2011, 02:41 PM	#6
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	But if one finds an original matching part for his Luger, the part is original, so, all matching and original. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...t=amazing+find I never have looked for matching parts but I did find one!!! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-09-2011, 04:24 PM	#18
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	MikeP Agree especially with your last statement. I feel we are so enamoured with all matching that if a firing pin or holdopen etc is mismatched it immediately becomes the dreaded " Shooter". Our demand for totally matching and perfect finish is what creates the fakers market. And I believe many of our all matching, perfect finish lugers are fakes. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-05-2011, 01:39 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Gee Don! Another illusion shattered. First it was the Tooth Fairy, then Santa Claus, sometime later the Extra Virgin, and now this, the all matching Luger. Where will it all end? Best regards, Norm

05-05-2011, 02:27 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	My first girlfriend swore she was a vigin till she wound up pregnant and not from me, and 'The check is in the mail!!!

05-05-2011, 02:41 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	One can only hope that this was not while you were dating her, Eric!

05-05-2011, 03:59 PM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Well, it's the market after all. If the market is prepared to pay extra for a fully matching 'original' gun, then the sellers will supply them. Same goes for 'matching' magazines and 'full matching rigs'.

05-05-2011, 05:31 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	A couple of years ago, a friend of mine bought a luger from a dealer; when he got it, it was missing the number and proof on the safety bar if I remember correctly. He decided against it and sent it back. But it seemed to acquire the correct number and proof a few weeks later... Ed

05-05-2011, 06:46 PM	#12
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	AH Rich. Quoting from B. Franklin, " An honest politician is one who when bought, stays bought" FN

05-08-2011, 09:47 AM	#14
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	OK, here is the other side of the coin..? I brought in a Mauser Banner police the other day in excellent condition. A vet's grandson brought it in for his grandmother, as she didn't want it in the house any longer, along with some other bring-back items. The banner was in stunning all original condition (along with the police holster) and everything matched EXCEPT the hold open, which was ONE diget off (26 instead of 27).. So, what's more important - original or matched? We collectors are a fickle bunch Best to all..!!!! John D.

05-09-2011, 11:25 AM	#17
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I got a 1910, unit marked to 1st Uhlans. I've owned it 45 years. The hold open is replaced. It's a mismatch as far as I'm concerned. Original and matching same - same for my era. Armourer replacement is just that-replacement. I would not devalue it a lot for such a small thing, but I would point it out to a buyer.