Can anyone tell me what I have

hwortmanjr · 09-08-2013, 11:05 AM

Hello, new to the forum and I appreciate all the knowledge out there. I just acquired a Luger DWM. been wanting one for a long time but due to the values have not been able to put my hands on one until now....It appears to be a DWM Commerical in 30 Luger cal. Ser # 1570 and match through out the gun. No markings on the top of slide where barrel is joined. Under barrel is the ser # with "P" in script(as shown in guide to gun marks) same with front of frame. a regular N on left side slide. Either an Standing Lion or Eagle on left side(left side of next to last photo) front of breach lok group..inside where the lock back goes is an "A" same on the left side where the little plate is for trigger mech...left grip has a "W" stamp near the top

Lugerdoc · 09-08-2013, 01:36 PM

Your PO8 appears to be missing it's hold open part. TH

Arizona Slim · 09-08-2013, 03:29 PM

Welcome to the forum Henry, good to have you as a member. The proof mark you referred to on your breech block is a standing eagle as you said and the "P" on your frame and barrel are part of the serial number, 1570P. As Lugerdoc pointed out it appears that you are missing the hold open and you are in luck as Lugerdoc usually has them in stock. Good luck to you and thank you for your military service.

Lon

hwortmanjr · 09-08-2013, 04:14 PM

Got a hold open coming from the guy I made the trade to....can either of you gentlemen tell me where I might be able to obtain more information about the gun and maybe its age or date...a little lost since there is no year stamp like most...thanks for the acknowledgement on my Service....since Vietnam it was a long time since that I would even admit to being in that part of the World

alvin · 09-08-2013, 04:49 PM

The receiver has C/N, the barrel has no proof, and the bolt has Eagle proof. If we count frame as the pistol, 1570p,,,,, 1924, 1925 ??

Arizona Slim · 09-08-2013, 04:56 PM

More then likely your pistol is a 1920 Commercial, these Lugers had one through four numbers, with or without a small letter and came in either 9mm or 7.65mm (.30 Luger). We have many members that are very knowledgeable on this subject and I'm certain someone better qualified then I will weigh in on this subject In the meantime if you click on "search" at the top of this page and type in some variation of the subject matter you are looking for you should find some helpful information Good luck, Henry.

Lon

Edward Tinker · 09-08-2013, 09:51 PM

Welcome to the forum, a number of Vietnam vets here, thank you for your service.

Ed

hwortmanjr · 09-10-2013, 02:52 PM

just curious, how does one determine a reblue....held this beside two others with better and worse finish and can not see a noticeable difference

ithacaartist · 09-10-2013, 03:34 PM

Lots of ways. Improper parts blued, improper bluing process, blued over pits/scratches, evidence of buffing or blasting, "haloes" missing around the stampings--just to get you started...

JD · 09-10-2013, 04:41 PM

Originally, your gun would have been rust blued (a true "blue" color) and the small parts like the trigger, safety, and locking bolt would have been strawed ( a honey / gold color). Your gun now is a dull black color, rather than the orginal satin texture blue. The small parts on your gun are now also blued rather than their orginal straw color. Originally the stampings on your gun would have raised edges and a "halo" in the blueing around them, now they are completely flat and shallower and less distinct than original. Notice that some of the serial number on the barrel is almost gone...

Just some of the indications that it has been reblued. Refinishing a luger removes all of it's collector value and puts the gun in the shooter catagory..

Sergio Natali · 09-11-2013, 05:08 AM

Never mind, it's still a nice gun, we all are learning by making mistakes. Actually it depends on what you originally were looking for: a "collectible" or a "shooter". You'll soon discover that what I call the "Luger World" is so wide and interesting that you'll see there is always something to learn.

hwortmanjr · 09-11-2013, 04:21 PM

Thanks Gentlemen, have been playing with guns since 12 (first gun via mail order through Spiegel Catalog Enfield 1 mk 111 $12.95 delivered to my door....Dads approval of Course) be 68 December and Still Learning....would have been nice for Collectors item....but now that I have one that at least looks halfway decent...will settle for a shooter....what recommendation would anyone make or who could " Re-blued it to original Standard"

09-08-2013, 11:05 AM	#1
hwortmanjr User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Waxahachie Texas Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Can anyone tell me what I have Hello, new to the forum and I appreciate all the knowledge out there. I just acquired a Luger DWM. been wanting one for a long time but due to the values have not been able to put my hands on one until now....It appears to be a DWM Commerical in 30 Luger cal. Ser # 1570 and match through out the gun. No markings on the top of slide where barrel is joined. Under barrel is the ser # with "P" in script(as shown in guide to gun marks) same with front of frame. a regular N on left side slide. Either an Standing Lion or Eagle on left side(left side of next to last photo) front of breach lok group..inside where the lock back goes is an "A" same on the left side where the little plate is for trigger mech...left grip has a "W" stamp near the top Attached Thumbnails

09-08-2013, 01:36 PM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Your PO8 appears to be missing it's hold open part. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-08-2013, 09:51 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Welcome to the forum, a number of Vietnam vets here, thank you for your service. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-10-2013, 03:34 PM	#9
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,285 Thanks: 7,021 Thanked 2,479 Times in 1,321 Posts	Lots of ways. Improper parts blued, improper bluing process, blued over pits/scratches, evidence of buffing or blasting, "haloes" missing around the stampings--just to get you started... __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

09-11-2013, 05:08 AM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Never mind, it's still a nice gun, we all are learning by making mistakes. Actually it depends on what you originally were looking for: a "collectible" or a "shooter". You'll soon discover that what I call the "Luger World" is so wide and interesting that you'll see there is always something to learn. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-08-2013, 03:29 PM	#3
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Welcome to the forum Henry, good to have you as a member. The proof mark you referred to on your breech block is a standing eagle as you said and the "P" on your frame and barrel are part of the serial number, 1570P. As Lugerdoc pointed out it appears that you are missing the hold open and you are in luck as Lugerdoc usually has them in stock. Good luck to you and thank you for your military service. Lon

09-08-2013, 04:14 PM	#4
hwortmanjr User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Waxahachie Texas Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Got a hold open coming from the guy I made the trade to....can either of you gentlemen tell me where I might be able to obtain more information about the gun and maybe its age or date...a little lost since there is no year stamp like most...thanks for the acknowledgement on my Service....since Vietnam it was a long time since that I would even admit to being in that part of the World

09-08-2013, 04:49 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The receiver has C/N, the barrel has no proof, and the bolt has Eagle proof. If we count frame as the pistol, 1570p,,,,, 1924, 1925 ??

09-08-2013, 04:56 PM	#6
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	More then likely your pistol is a 1920 Commercial, these Lugers had one through four numbers, with or without a small letter and came in either 9mm or 7.65mm (.30 Luger). We have many members that are very knowledgeable on this subject and I'm certain someone better qualified then I will weigh in on this subject In the meantime if you click on "search" at the top of this page and type in some variation of the subject matter you are looking for you should find some helpful information Good luck, Henry. Lon

09-10-2013, 02:52 PM	#8
hwortmanjr User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Waxahachie Texas Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	just curious, how does one determine a reblue....held this beside two others with better and worse finish and can not see a noticeable difference

09-10-2013, 04:41 PM	#10
JD User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Western Washington Posts: 107 Thanks: 58 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts	Originally, your gun would have been rust blued (a true "blue" color) and the small parts like the trigger, safety, and locking bolt would have been strawed ( a honey / gold color). Your gun now is a dull black color, rather than the orginal satin texture blue. The small parts on your gun are now also blued rather than their orginal straw color. Originally the stampings on your gun would have raised edges and a "halo" in the blueing around them, now they are completely flat and shallower and less distinct than original. Notice that some of the serial number on the barrel is almost gone... Just some of the indications that it has been reblued. Refinishing a luger removes all of it's collector value and puts the gun in the shooter catagory..

09-11-2013, 04:21 PM	#12
hwortmanjr User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Waxahachie Texas Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks Gentlemen, have been playing with guns since 12 (first gun via mail order through Spiegel Catalog Enfield 1 mk 111 $12.95 delivered to my door....Dads approval of Course) be 68 December and Still Learning....would have been nice for Collectors item....but now that I have one that at least looks halfway decent...will settle for a shooter....what recommendation would anyone make or who could " Re-blued it to original Standard"