1917 Simson Weimar Police Rework Luger

Leed709 · 02-14-2019, 09:41 PM

Just got email that I won a 1917 Simson Weimar police rework luger on Gun Broker. Seller said all matching with extra magazine and holster. Paid $1700. Do you think that I paid to much? The gun has no rust and a bright shinning bore What can anyone tell me about this luger Thanks Leed709

Edward Tinker · 02-14-2019, 09:50 PM

this one
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/797319854

I think you did fine - you have a WW1 made by DWM in 1917 - at some point it was issued / taken over by the police, receiving sear safety (see FAQ) in the early 1930's. At some point it was sent to Simson for refurbishment - where it received a rear toggle - it could also have been refurbished at the police armory in Berlin for the newer barrel etc.

Leed709 · 02-14-2019, 10:53 PM

Yes, That is the luger that I won.

DonVoigt · 02-14-2019, 11:41 PM

I believe it was likely "re-worked" by the Berlin TP, using Simson made parts.
I doubt Simson had anything to do with the work; as the TP stamp began to be used in 1934, by time which Simson was out of favor. JMHO.

Whoever did the work, it is a nice police luger and the extra mag is for sure a plus, along with the holster , making the $1700 a good price.

There is a lot of fluff and mis-information in the write up/ description though.
What he says about the grips being "Simson proofed" is silly, the S/42 and the gothic "S" are Mauser markings and the grips were not made or inspected by Simson. The marking on the barrel is TP not TPV as he states, and the eagle is is Weimar firing proof- and not the typical Simson firing proof eagle. The barrel was an inspected spare, installed in or after 1934. Neither the TP or PTV are rare or even scarce, again all based on
published info by three or four well known authors.

Edward Tinker · 02-15-2019, 10:05 AM

I disagree - Simson had the official refurbishment contract - it could very well have gone through Simson and then ended up at police where later it received a TP barrel (ref the rear toggle) - that is not seen too often on TP marked guns....

Don M · 02-15-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I believe it was likely "re-worked" by the Berlin TP, using Simson made parts.
I doubt Simson had anything to do with the work; as the TP stamp began to be used in 1934, by time which Simson was out of favor. JMHO.

I agree with Don. The gun was originally an LP08. It was rebarreled by the TP in 1934 or later using a barrel which had been purchased from Simson earlier. The 2 on the bottom of the barrel probably indicates its' manufacture in 1922 by Simson. The gun was probably issued to the Gemeindepolizei. There are a number of similar examples. This type of rework of LP08s was also done in 1929-30 to arm the Landjägerei.

DonVoigt · 02-15-2019, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I disagree - Simson had the official refurbishment contract - it could very well have gone through Simson and then ended up at police where later it received a TP barrel (ref the rear toggle) - that is not seen too often on TP marked guns....

The rear toggle is quite odd, with the E/6 and the gothic S of a K date Mauser.

I'm pretty sure the inspector named E/6 did not disappear when Simson did, so perhaps he was still around inspecting spare parts?

Leed709 · 02-19-2019, 09:40 PM

1917 Luger shipped. Should arrive Thursday afternoon. Then I can find out a little about this luger and if I paid to much.

02-14-2019, 09:41 PM	#1
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1917 Simson Weimar Police Rework Luger Just got email that I won a 1917 Simson Weimar police rework luger on Gun Broker. Seller said all matching with extra magazine and holster. Paid $1700. Do you think that I paid to much? The gun has no rust and a bright shinning bore What can anyone tell me about this luger Thanks Leed709

02-14-2019, 09:50 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	this one https://www.gunbroker.com/item/797319854 I think you did fine - you have a WW1 made by DWM in 1917 - at some point it was issued / taken over by the police, receiving sear safety (see FAQ) in the early 1930's. At some point it was sent to Simson for refurbishment - where it received a rear toggle - it could also have been refurbished at the police armory in Berlin for the newer barrel etc. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1917 Simson Luger Yes, That is the luger that I won.

02-14-2019, 11:41 PM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,440 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	I believe it was likely "re-worked" by the Berlin TP, using Simson made parts. I doubt Simson had anything to do with the work; as the TP stamp began to be used in 1934, by time which Simson was out of favor. JMHO. Whoever did the work, it is a nice police luger and the extra mag is for sure a plus, along with the holster , making the $1700 a good price. There is a lot of fluff and mis-information in the write up/ description though. What he says about the grips being "Simson proofed" is silly, the S/42 and the gothic "S" are Mauser markings and the grips were not made or inspected by Simson. The marking on the barrel is TP not TPV as he states, and the eagle is is Weimar firing proof- and not the typical Simson firing proof eagle. The barrel was an inspected spare, installed in or after 1934. Neither the TP or PTV are rare or even scarce, again all based on published info by three or four well known authors. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

02-15-2019, 10:05 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	I disagree - Simson had the official refurbishment contract - it could very well have gone through Simson and then ended up at police where later it received a TP barrel (ref the rear toggle) - that is not seen too often on TP marked guns....

02-19-2019, 09:40 PM	#8
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1917 Luger shipped. Should arrive Thursday afternoon. Then I can find out a little about this luger and if I paid to much.