1917 DWM Arty question

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 02:23 PM

I just acquired a 1917 DWM arty all numbers match except magazine. I was looking at it today and I do have one question.

The frame is serial numbered 7227 b and the barrel is serial numbered 7227 but with no suffix,

Is this something to be alarmed over?

George Anderson · 12-15-2012, 02:50 PM

It warrants some concern.

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 03:02 PM

Were there any examples where the barrel wasnt suffixed? The condition of the barell finsish to the gun is consistent. Numbers are of the same font and size.

alanint · 12-15-2012, 03:34 PM

photos would help.

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 03:41 PM

Ill get photos on later. Just wanted to know if anyone has run across this before.

mrerick · 12-15-2012, 03:43 PM

The barrel on my 1917 DWM LP08 (within the "k" block) has the suffix letter stamped on the barrel.

Marc

wlyon · 12-15-2012, 03:48 PM

My 1917 artillery has a suffix on both barrel and frame. Bill

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 08:59 PM

Here are a few pics I love the gun and it looks right to me I just dont get why it doesnt have a suffix on the barrel. More pics to follow

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 09:03 PM

More PIcs

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 09:04 PM

Even More all small parts are numbered 27 Hold open, Firing pin even both of the grips are numbere 27 the gun looks legit to me But why no suffix

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 09:08 PM

More pics still

George Anderson · 12-15-2012, 09:44 PM

Run the rear sight up as high as you can and, with a strong light, examine the numbers on top of the barrel below the sight mount. Those numbers should include at least two numerals from your serial number. If they are there you are probably alright.

DavidJayUden · 12-15-2012, 09:48 PM

Odd, but I'm not seeing a fake. An anomaly IMHO.
dju

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 09:55 PM

Inside the sight it has a 652 on the site frame it says 65

wayne8661 · 12-15-2012, 10:14 PM

The serial number on the bottom of the barrel has no evidence of being re struck and if someone would go through the trouble to re strike the serial number to the proper size and font why wouldnt they put the suffix on?

alanint · 12-16-2012, 01:10 AM

It would seem like whomever stamped the barrel serial number did not leave enough space for the letter suffix to be added, given that the bore gauge had to be in there as well, so it was omited.

It looks like one of those legitimate anomalies to me.

DavidJayUden · 12-16-2012, 09:53 AM

Like I already stated, I'm not seeing a problem.
But just for the sake of whipping up some discussion, am I seeing scratches around the base of the barrel just out from the base ring that might show clamp or fixture wear? That could suggest re-barreling somewhere along the way. Also without all the white lacquer stick filler, are there halo's around the barrel numbers similar to that on the frame? Can you clean off all the white stuff and post some really good photos of those barrel, and maybe frame, numbers? Also, do the index marks align?
Thanks for indulging me.
dju

sheepherder · 12-16-2012, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayne8661

The serial number on the bottom of the barrel has no evidence of being re struck and if someone would go through the trouble to re strike the serial number to the proper size and font why wouldnt they put the suffix on?

Perhaps because they didn't have the proper 'fractur' font lower case letter stamps...

Harbor Freight/Brownells can't stock everything...'Someone' might have thought it would be better to leave it off rather than strike an obviously false font and have it proved a fake...

...Pure conjecture on my part...

wayne8661 · 12-16-2012, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Like I already stated, I'm not seeing a problem.
But just for the sake of whipping up some discussion, am I seeing scratches around the base of the barrel just out from the base ring that might show clamp or fixture wear? That could suggest re-barreling somewhere along the way. Also without all the white lacquer stick filler, are there halo's around the barrel numbers similar to that on the frame? Can you clean off all the white stuff and post some really good photos of those barrel, and maybe frame, numbers? Also, do the index marks align?
Thanks for indulging me.
dju

David the witness mark under magnification looks good, there are however scratches on the throat of the barrell , There are also definately halso around the numbers on the barrell.

George Anderson · 12-16-2012, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayne8661

Inside the sight it has a 652 on the site frame it says 65

652 is on the sight base. You need to be looking forward of there into the void at the top of the barrel.

12-15-2012, 02:23 PM	#1
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	1917 DWM Arty question I just acquired a 1917 DWM arty all numbers match except magazine. I was looking at it today and I do have one question. The frame is serial numbered 7227 b and the barrel is serial numbered 7227 but with no suffix, Is this something to be alarmed over?

12-15-2012, 03:43 PM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	The barrel on my 1917 DWM LP08 (within the "k" block) has the suffix letter stamped on the barrel. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-15-2012, 03:48 PM	#7
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	My 1917 artillery has a suffix on both barrel and frame. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-15-2012, 08:59 PM	#8
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Here are a few pics I love the gun and it looks right to me I just dont get why it doesnt have a suffix on the barrel. More pics to follow Attached Thumbnails

12-15-2012, 09:03 PM	#9
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	More PIcs Attached Thumbnails

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	It warrants some concern.

12-15-2012, 03:02 PM	#3
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Were there any examples where the barrel wasnt suffixed? The condition of the barell finsish to the gun is consistent. Numbers are of the same font and size.

12-15-2012, 03:34 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	photos would help.

12-15-2012, 03:41 PM	#5
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Ill get photos on later. Just wanted to know if anyone has run across this before.

12-15-2012, 09:04 PM	#10
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Even More all small parts are numbered 27 Hold open, Firing pin even both of the grips are numbere 27 the gun looks legit to me But why no suffix

12-15-2012, 09:08 PM	#11
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	More pics still Attached Thumbnails

12-15-2012, 09:44 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Run the rear sight up as high as you can and, with a strong light, examine the numbers on top of the barrel below the sight mount. Those numbers should include at least two numerals from your serial number. If they are there you are probably alright.

12-15-2012, 09:48 PM	#13
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Odd, but I'm not seeing a fake. An anomaly IMHO. dju

12-15-2012, 09:55 PM	#14
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Inside the sight it has a 652 on the site frame it says 65 Attached Thumbnails

12-15-2012, 10:14 PM	#15
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	The serial number on the bottom of the barrel has no evidence of being re struck and if someone would go through the trouble to re strike the serial number to the proper size and font why wouldnt they put the suffix on?

12-16-2012, 01:10 AM	#16
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It would seem like whomever stamped the barrel serial number did not leave enough space for the letter suffix to be added, given that the bore gauge had to be in there as well, so it was omited. It looks like one of those legitimate anomalies to me.

12-16-2012, 09:53 AM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Like I already stated, I'm not seeing a problem. But just for the sake of whipping up some discussion, am I seeing scratches around the base of the barrel just out from the base ring that might show clamp or fixture wear? That could suggest re-barreling somewhere along the way. Also without all the white lacquer stick filler, are there halo's around the barrel numbers similar to that on the frame? Can you clean off all the white stuff and post some really good photos of those barrel, and maybe frame, numbers? Also, do the index marks align? Thanks for indulging me. dju