Portland Gun Show Report

Dwight Gruber · 11-16-2002, 11:39 PM

Big gun show in Portland this weekend, 1000 tables or so. Quite a few less actually occupied (and lots non-gun). A couple of Usual Suspects not in attendance.

A decent sprinkling of Lugers, many which are repeat entries.

Singletons:
1900AE with Cronin hoster $3.5k a really spectacular gun
1900AE $1.6k good shape
1900AE $2k type2 safety lever, skinny grip safety, really excellent shape
1906AE $1495 decent shape, didn't inspect
byf 41 (wood grips) $825 average shape, didn't inspect
S/42 1937 reblue $700
S/42 G date mismatch $650 or so
S/42 G date. looked good superficially, didn't get price
DWM Commercial .30cal reblue $600
John Martz Baby $2.5k
Finnish contract, matte finish, mismatch, 2 of 'em, $500 each
Mitchell stainless steel, 4", $595

One table had an unusual 1906AE, marked Loaded on the extractor and stamped Gesichert behind the thumb safety lever. In excellent shape, with 3 mags (two good ones) . He wanted $2.7k, probably a good price.

There was a 1916 Erfurt which had been rebarralled with a 16 1/4" barrel, wood forestock attached to the barrel, came with a carbine stock, $895. A real mutant as it sits, too bad, too, because the Erfurt looked to be a good one.

Jerry Kramer was there, as usual the highest quality/highest price selection:
DWM Commercial Artillery $2850
byf 41 Black Widow $2095
byf 42 $1995
1906AE $2695
Krieghoff (didn't catch chamber date) $4495
S/42 K date $1995
DWM 1908 $1950
1906 Swiss $3295
ERMA .22 conversion in box, $895
He also offered me a nearly perfect byf 41 for $1195, a real bargain, I considered it briefly but its not in my direct line of interest. If I had extra money in my pocket, though...

There was one other primarily Luger table, a friend from Longview who is usually a walk-in in Portland. He had the most interesting and varied Luger table in the show.
Started off with a John Martz long-barrelled "Navy Carbine" with carbine stock. $3k
Also had a 1923 Commercial Artillery, a Gale Morgan restoration, $2.2k
1915 Artillery, $1250
DWM 1915 matching shooter, $850
DWM Commercial .30, really nice shape, $850
DWM 6" rebarrel/refinish, $1.4k
He also had a couple of repro Artillery stock rigs, two Artillery stocks w/o leather, a really nice repro Navy stock rig, one drum mag and one "faux" drum mag (the drum is non-functinal, attached to a functioning standard 8-rd.mag.). Anyone who is going to Reno next weekend will probably see some of these.

A couple of the Mausers sold during the morning, it seems like a Luger for shooting in Portland goes for $500-800. I saw one DWM mismatch walk-in who wanted more than anyone will pay him for it.

Ugly gun of the show: a nickel-plated C-96 Bolo. I dunno, my eye can accept the concept of a nickel-plated Luger, but a broomhandle, or a P-38 as I was shown the other day, just strike me as wrong.

But i digress. All-in-all not a bad show for Lugers, with more non-garden variety than usual.

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 11-16-2002, 11:53 PM

Well Dwight, that sounds like a heck of a show and a very good report!

I wish I could have been there, but my head hurts from all the great knowledge I picked up the last two days [img]smile.gif[/img] and I had a good time.

Still, it sounds like the Portland show is a good one. Is the December show any good?

Dwight Gruber · 11-17-2002, 12:05 AM

The Portland gun shows--Rose City Gun Collectors--in the Expo Center are pretty consistent.

--Dwight

ToggleTop · 11-17-2002, 12:14 AM

Dwight,
Was the K-Date S/42 a dog or pretty good gun?
<img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />

Dwight Gruber · 11-17-2002, 12:29 AM

[quote]Originally posted by ToggleTop:
<strong>Was the K-Date S/42 a dog or pretty good gun?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The K date is the first variation with script-S on all the parts, and is an excellent sample--approaching 95% or so. Jerry only sells the highest-quality Lugers (he has the disturbing habit of parting out Lugers which are not fine guns [img]frown.gif[/img] )

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 11-17-2002, 12:57 AM

[quote] One table had an unusual 1906AE, marked Safe on the extractor and stamped Gesichert behind the thumb safety lever. <hr></blockquote>

That would be an unusual Luger! I think you meant that the extractor was marked "Loaded". A "Gesichert" marked 1906 AE is a very early production '06 Eagle, probably in the 25,1xx serial number range with a long frame. One theory is that are that they were made using up left-over 1906 Navy commercial frames. Quite a scarce and desirable Luger.

Dwight Gruber · 11-17-2002, 04:58 AM

D'oh! <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> Thanks, Ron, for pointing that out, yes, its Loaded/Gesichert, my fingers got the better of my brain on that one. It is a long frame, serial# 281xx.

--Dwight (who revised his original report so as not to appear too stupid in the archive forever)

11-16-2002, 11:39 PM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Portland Gun Show Report Big gun show in Portland this weekend, 1000 tables or so. Quite a few less actually occupied (and lots non-gun). A couple of Usual Suspects not in attendance. A decent sprinkling of Lugers, many which are repeat entries. Singletons: 1900AE with Cronin hoster $3.5k a really spectacular gun 1900AE $1.6k good shape 1900AE $2k type2 safety lever, skinny grip safety, really excellent shape 1906AE $1495 decent shape, didn't inspect byf 41 (wood grips) $825 average shape, didn't inspect S/42 1937 reblue $700 S/42 G date mismatch $650 or so S/42 G date. looked good superficially, didn't get price DWM Commercial .30cal reblue $600 John Martz Baby $2.5k Finnish contract, matte finish, mismatch, 2 of 'em, $500 each Mitchell stainless steel, 4", $595 One table had an unusual 1906AE, marked Loaded on the extractor and stamped Gesichert behind the thumb safety lever. In excellent shape, with 3 mags (two good ones) . He wanted $2.7k, probably a good price. There was a 1916 Erfurt which had been rebarralled with a 16 1/4" barrel, wood forestock attached to the barrel, came with a carbine stock, $895. A real mutant as it sits, too bad, too, because the Erfurt looked to be a good one. Jerry Kramer was there, as usual the highest quality/highest price selection: DWM Commercial Artillery $2850 byf 41 Black Widow $2095 byf 42 $1995 1906AE $2695 Krieghoff (didn't catch chamber date) $4495 S/42 K date $1995 DWM 1908 $1950 1906 Swiss $3295 ERMA .22 conversion in box, $895 He also offered me a nearly perfect byf 41 for $1195, a real bargain, I considered it briefly but its not in my direct line of interest. If I had extra money in my pocket, though... There was one other primarily Luger table, a friend from Longview who is usually a walk-in in Portland. He had the most interesting and varied Luger table in the show. Started off with a John Martz long-barrelled "Navy Carbine" with carbine stock. $3k Also had a 1923 Commercial Artillery, a Gale Morgan restoration, $2.2k 1915 Artillery, $1250 DWM 1915 matching shooter, $850 DWM Commercial .30, really nice shape, $850 DWM 6" rebarrel/refinish, $1.4k He also had a couple of repro Artillery stock rigs, two Artillery stocks w/o leather, a really nice repro Navy stock rig, one drum mag and one "faux" drum mag (the drum is non-functinal, attached to a functioning standard 8-rd.mag.). Anyone who is going to Reno next weekend will probably see some of these. A couple of the Mausers sold during the morning, it seems like a Luger for shooting in Portland goes for $500-800. I saw one DWM mismatch walk-in who wanted more than anyone will pay him for it. Ugly gun of the show: a nickel-plated C-96 Bolo. I dunno, my eye can accept the concept of a nickel-plated Luger, but a broomhandle, or a P-38 as I was shown the other day, just strike me as wrong. But i digress. All-in-all not a bad show for Lugers, with more non-garden variety than usual. --Dwight

11-16-2002, 11:53 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Well Dwight, that sounds like a heck of a show and a very good report! I wish I could have been there, but my head hurts from all the great knowledge I picked up the last two days [img]smile.gif[/img] and I had a good time. Still, it sounds like the Portland show is a good one. Is the December show any good? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-17-2002, 12:14 AM	#4
ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, Was the K-Date S/42 a dog or pretty good gun? <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" /> __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************

11-17-2002, 12:57 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	[quote] One table had an unusual 1906AE, marked Safe on the extractor and stamped Gesichert behind the thumb safety lever. <hr></blockquote> That would be an unusual Luger! I think you meant that the extractor was marked "Loaded". A "Gesichert" marked 1906 AE is a very early production '06 Eagle, probably in the 25,1xx serial number range with a long frame. One theory is that are that they were made using up left-over 1906 Navy commercial frames. Quite a scarce and desirable Luger. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-17-2002, 12:05 AM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	The Portland gun shows--Rose City Gun Collectors--in the Expo Center are pretty consistent. --Dwight

11-17-2002, 12:29 AM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by ToggleTop: <strong>Was the K-Date S/42 a dog or pretty good gun?</strong><hr></blockquote> The K date is the first variation with script-S on all the parts, and is an excellent sample--approaching 95% or so. Jerry only sells the highest-quality Lugers (he has the disturbing habit of parting out Lugers which are not fine guns [img]frown.gif[/img] ) --Dwight

11-17-2002, 04:58 AM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	D'oh! <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> Thanks, Ron, for pointing that out, yes, its Loaded/Gesichert, my fingers got the better of my brain on that one. It is a long frame, serial# 281xx. --Dwight (who revised his original report so as not to appear too stupid in the archive forever)