PP Shooter Question...?

Pete Ebbink · 06-05-2003, 10:19 PM

Last Saturday I also had a chance to pick up this nice Walther PP shooter (for not a lot of money...rather obscenely cheap).

It is serial # 14899x P; which means it is part of the "million" series and may date from 1938 but not later than 1940. No import marks, no other marks, .32 ACP cal., and is all-steel construction.

It has a Crown/N proof mark on the right side of the frame below the ejection port and also on the right side of the barrel (visible at the ejection port); both in the "lazy" position.

Interesting wooden grips are most likely not factory and both are nicely engraved on the inside surface of each panel as " Made by Ernst A. Priebe - 1962 ".

Here are a few photos :

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Pete Ebbink · 06-05-2003, 10:26 PM

Now for the interesting 2nd. part and my questions :

While I know that PP's should be double-action, this one is modified to shoot only in single-action mode and the safety lever now serves as a decocking lever.

Have any of you folks here on the LF run across such a modified PP ?

I took several photos to illustrate the gun's action :

Photo # 1 - Trigger at rest (double-action position), hammer down, and safety lever in the fire mode. Pulling on the trigger results in no movement, rearwards.

Photo # 2 - Hammer was manually cocked and trigger is in its single-action position. Safety lever is still in the fire mode.

Photo # 3 - Using the safety lever and sweeping it downwards, the hammer is automatically dropped but the trigger stays in its single-action position.

Photo # 4 - Sweeping the safety lever upwards, the trigger returns to its double-action position and gun is restored to the same state as in photo # 1.

I have a Daewoo DP-51 from the early 1990's that has that modified triple-action. This modified PP reminds me alot of that Daewoo.

I have not yet had a chance to take this PP to the range. I will be careful and let you know how it acts and shoots...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 06-05-2003, 10:33 PM

Very nice Pete

Walt Fan · 06-07-2003, 12:41 PM

Pete,
Take off both grip panels and post a couple of pics close-up of the area which you can see the internal hammer action. This should be the "see-thru" where you can view the bottom of the hammer where it catches on the cocking piece(the horseshoe part that's riveted in the frame). I'll bet the hammer sear(the spring-loaded tang that's pinned in the hammer) is removed or cut off. That sear is for double action shooting on Walther pistols.

Pete Ebbink · 06-07-2003, 01:19 PM

Hello WF,

I will do as you suggest and will get some more close-up photos posted by this Monday.

Thanks for your troubleshooting help !

Best Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Pete Ebbink · 06-08-2003, 02:50 PM

Hello again, WF...

Here are three (3) detailed photos as you asked for. Sorry about the lack of clear focus...I think I am pressing the capabilities of my digital camera.

There is a bar (in the white) enlaid into the striking surface of my hammer. This bar tapers and extends down to the upper surface of the sear bar; which I think blocks any double-action trigger pull. The tapered end of the bar is flexible and rotates along the sear bar when the hammer is manually cocked to allow the trigger to go to its single-action position and then the gun can be fired.

Let me know what you think...

Best Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-05-2003, 10:19 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	PP Shooter Question...? Last Saturday I also had a chance to pick up this nice Walther PP shooter (for not a lot of money...rather obscenely cheap). It is serial # 14899x P; which means it is part of the "million" series and may date from 1938 but not later than 1940. No import marks, no other marks, .32 ACP cal., and is all-steel construction. It has a Crown/N proof mark on the right side of the frame below the ejection port and also on the right side of the barrel (visible at the ejection port); both in the "lazy" position. Interesting wooden grips are most likely not factory and both are nicely engraved on the inside surface of each panel as " Made by Ernst A. Priebe - 1962 ". Here are a few photos : Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-05-2003, 10:33 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Very nice Pete __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-05-2003, 10:26 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Now for the interesting 2nd. part and my questions : While I know that PP's should be double-action, this one is modified to shoot only in single-action mode and the safety lever now serves as a decocking lever. Have any of you folks here on the LF run across such a modified PP ? I took several photos to illustrate the gun's action : Photo # 1 - Trigger at rest (double-action position), hammer down, and safety lever in the fire mode. Pulling on the trigger results in no movement, rearwards. Photo # 2 - Hammer was manually cocked and trigger is in its single-action position. Safety lever is still in the fire mode. Photo # 3 - Using the safety lever and sweeping it downwards, the hammer is automatically dropped but the trigger stays in its single-action position. Photo # 4 - Sweeping the safety lever upwards, the trigger returns to its double-action position and gun is restored to the same state as in photo # 1. I have a Daewoo DP-51 from the early 1990's that has that modified triple-action. This modified PP reminds me alot of that Daewoo. I have not yet had a chance to take this PP to the range. I will be careful and let you know how it acts and shoots... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-07-2003, 12:41 PM	#4
Walt Fan User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, Take off both grip panels and post a couple of pics close-up of the area which you can see the internal hammer action. This should be the "see-thru" where you can view the bottom of the hammer where it catches on the cocking piece(the horseshoe part that's riveted in the frame). I'll bet the hammer sear(the spring-loaded tang that's pinned in the hammer) is removed or cut off. That sear is for double action shooting on Walther pistols.

06-07-2003, 01:19 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello WF, I will do as you suggest and will get some more close-up photos posted by this Monday. Thanks for your troubleshooting help ! Best Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-08-2003, 02:50 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello again, WF... Here are three (3) detailed photos as you asked for. Sorry about the lack of clear focus...I think I am pressing the capabilities of my digital camera. There is a bar (in the white) enlaid into the striking surface of my hammer. This bar tapers and extends down to the upper surface of the sear bar; which I think blocks any double-action trigger pull. The tapered end of the bar is flexible and rotates along the sear bar when the hammer is manually cocked to allow the trigger to go to its single-action position and then the gun can be fired. Let me know what you think... Best Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />