Stolen Collection......

John D. · 02-06-2006, 10:58 PM

I copied Orv's post below.. It looked MUCH better than my list

$10,000.00 Reward
Reward offered for the return of these firearms in an undamaged condition. No questions asked, no prosecution.

The following list of firearms was stolen from V.S. Honey on 02/03/06, in Cobb Co. Georgia ( Marietta, Ga. ) Please share this information with anyone who might be of help or come in contact with these firearms. Mr. Honey appreciates your help in this matter, please contact him or his son if you have any questions or information that will help in the recovery of these firearms.

Steve Honey : (404) 213-2322
Ryan Honey (404) 861-8855
ryanhoney@hotmail.com

Case number 06-016-444
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LUGERS

# MANUF MODEL S/N CAL.
1 DWM 1900 American Eagle 5657 30Luger
2 DWM 1902 Test Commercial 22328 9 m/m
3 DWM 1906 American Eagle 45038 9 m/m
4 DWM 1906 Swiss Cross & Shield 11136 30Luger
5 DWM 1908 Navy (6" barrel) 7083b 9 m/m
6 DWM 1908 Commercial 55568 9 m/m
7 DWM 1908 Early Commercial 52415 9 m/m
8 DWM 1912 First issue - no stock lug 5624 9 m/m

10 DWM 1914 Military 6781a 9 m/m
11 DWM 1915 Military 6629g 9 m/m
12 DWM 1916 Military 9 m/m
13 DWM 1918 Military 8093c 9 m/m
DWM 1908 Commercial 55449 9 m/m
14 DWM 1914 Artillery 355 9 m/m
15 DWM 1914 Artillery 965 9 m/m
18 Mauser S/42 G-date Police 4187c 9 m/m
19 Mauser S/42 G-date Navy 4522d 9 m/m
20 Mauser Mauser Banner Police,1942 cham.date 5555u 9m/m

BROOMHANDLES
21 Mauser C-96 early prewar commercial 69996 7.63
22 Mauser C-96 early prewar commercial 195245 7.63
23 Mauser C-96 Bolo 606929 7.63
25 Astra Model 900 3 line logo 33689 9 m/m
26 Astra Model 900 2 line logo 7.36

WALTHER PPK
27 Walther PPK 228430k 7.65
28 Walther PPK 216524k 7.65
29 Walther PPK 981391 7.65
30 Walther PPK 321271k 7.65
31 Walther PPK 173329k 7.65

Edward Tinker · 02-06-2006, 11:15 PM

John, I saw on the NAPCA forum about a listing, but it looked a bit different from this. That the guns were being sold by a dealer in MA. If this is a different "stealing", I suggest folks be extra careful the next couple of months, both as a buyer and as a seller...

**the fear of every collector...

Ed

Dwight Gruber · 02-07-2006, 01:08 AM

Ed or John D.,

You probably ought to 'sticky' this...

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 02-07-2006, 01:24 AM

done, thanks, ed

jamese · 02-07-2006, 05:58 AM

Ed,

These are all entered into NCIC as stolen ?

Edward Tinker · 02-07-2006, 08:45 AM

James, I am sure, sounds like some nice things stolen. A shame, I hate thieves.

Ed

hqbmw · 02-07-2006, 01:58 PM

Has The Forum ever investigated "Group" insurance for members to subscribe?

pipeman45 · 02-08-2006, 11:55 AM

The NRA offers nice insurance for members.

lew1 · 02-08-2006, 12:15 PM

But the NRA insurance can be expensive.

Edward Tinker · 02-08-2006, 12:56 PM

I use an outside insurance "collectors Insurance" I think it is, they are about $100 a year for each $25k. NRA is too expensive I think...

Ed

wlyon · 02-08-2006, 04:07 PM

Ed I have my insurance with collectors also. I wonder if they would give a group discount? I wonder how many members would be interested? Bill

lew1 · 02-08-2006, 10:01 PM

I have my insurannce thru Rielly Insurance Group Inc. in Pembroke, MA. The rates are similar to Collector's Insurance.

I was with Rielly for two years and it covers weapons, knives/bayonets, holsters, cleaning rods, magazines, etc. on one policy.

I became aware of Collectors insurnce and contacted them for more information. I would be willing to switch if rates were cheaper, coverage was better, etc.

(Prior to contacting them I had read their handout I received at a gun show. I noticed two difference. The first was that I could not be sure that all of the weapon realetd items would be on one policy or not. Still have not been able to get an answer to this. The second point was that Collectors wanted all weapons of Value of $5,000 or more to be individually listed with numbers, etc and specific values. With Rielly, the only ones that had to be so listed were those with a value of $20,000 or more.

Rielly gave a lot more flexability. How many pistols do you have that are $4,000 now and what will they be in a year or so. If they go above $5,000 and you do not make a specific listing, there may or may not be coverage, but in any event, it would not exceed $5,000 in spite of the fact that it might be worth $6,000. So with the Colectors policy you would have to watch the values closely and update the policy often. When the break point is $20,000, then there is much less a problem.)

Anyhow, I contacted them and asked whether there would be one policy or not. Never received an answer.

Also I asked Collectors what were the differences between their policy and the policy offered by Rielly. I was told that Collectors did not know the difference between the policies as they had never seen a policy from Rielly. (If true, they sure do not check out their competition like the companies in other areas do.)

But when they said they did not know what was in the policy offered by Rielly, I decided not to change because (1) they either were not competent or were not telling me the truth and (2) perhaps they did not want to tell me because their policy was inferior to the one offered by Rielly.

.

John Sabato · 02-09-2006, 08:24 AM

Very good input Charles... thanks much!

Steve Honey · 02-09-2006, 09:18 AM

Good morning everyone, I am posting this for my father, who had his entire collection stolen. We really appreciate everyone getting the word out to as many people as possible, if anyone see's or hears anything please contact us.

Ryan Honey

Pete Ebbink · 02-09-2006, 09:28 AM

Ryan,

Best wishes to you and your father for a speedy recovery and prosecution of those involved...

I always look for Swiss luger in my travels... I will get an eye out for your serial number...

Big Norm · 02-16-2006, 12:08 AM

#12 1916 DWM does not have a serial number attached.
Big Norm

Doug G. · 02-16-2006, 10:17 AM

Hearing about this makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.

If it were me I'd look to acquaintances that knew about the collection. It looks like they knew what the good stuff was to take. This is the one reason that my Lugers and other valuable guns are locked up in a safe. I also have a top of the line alarm system. Won't stop them if theyÃ¢??re determined, but will slow them down quite a bit. I am going to a gun show this weekend and will post the list there and to a few other collectors that don't get on the internet.

A.Mifsin · 08-12-2006, 11:29 AM

For what it is worth, I passed this list to my club members in Malta.

Lugerdoc · 11-22-2006, 11:07 AM

Good news! One of my customers spotted these lugers at a Flee Market, and all but 5 have been recoved by the police. TH

Edward Tinker · 11-22-2006, 11:20 AM

amazing and how nice!

thanks Tom!!!

02-07-2006, 01:24 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	done, thanks, ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-07-2006, 05:58 AM	#5
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	Ed, These are all entered into NCIC as stolen ? __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

02-07-2006, 08:45 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	James, I am sure, sounds like some nice things stolen. A shame, I hate thieves. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-07-2006, 01:58 PM	#7
hqbmw User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Insurance Has The Forum ever investigated "Group" insurance for members to subscribe?

02-08-2006, 11:55 AM	#8
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The NRA offers nice insurance for members. __________________ Dave

02-06-2006, 10:58 PM	#1
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Stolen Collection...... I copied Orv's post below.. It looked MUCH better than my list $10,000.00 Reward Reward offered for the return of these firearms in an undamaged condition. No questions asked, no prosecution. The following list of firearms was stolen from V.S. Honey on 02/03/06, in Cobb Co. Georgia ( Marietta, Ga. ) Please share this information with anyone who might be of help or come in contact with these firearms. Mr. Honey appreciates your help in this matter, please contact him or his son if you have any questions or information that will help in the recovery of these firearms. Steve Honey : (404) 213-2322 Ryan Honey (404) 861-8855 ryanhoney@hotmail.com Case number 06-016-444 ================== LUGERS # MANUF MODEL S/N CAL. 1 DWM 1900 American Eagle 5657 30Luger 2 DWM 1902 Test Commercial 22328 9 m/m 3 DWM 1906 American Eagle 45038 9 m/m 4 DWM 1906 Swiss Cross & Shield 11136 30Luger 5 DWM 1908 Navy (6" barrel) 7083b 9 m/m 6 DWM 1908 Commercial 55568 9 m/m 7 DWM 1908 Early Commercial 52415 9 m/m 8 DWM 1912 First issue - no stock lug 5624 9 m/m 10 DWM 1914 Military 6781a 9 m/m 11 DWM 1915 Military 6629g 9 m/m 12 DWM 1916 Military 9 m/m 13 DWM 1918 Military 8093c 9 m/m DWM 1908 Commercial 55449 9 m/m 14 DWM 1914 Artillery 355 9 m/m 15 DWM 1914 Artillery 965 9 m/m 18 Mauser S/42 G-date Police 4187c 9 m/m 19 Mauser S/42 G-date Navy 4522d 9 m/m 20 Mauser Mauser Banner Police,1942 cham.date 5555u 9m/m BROOMHANDLES 21 Mauser C-96 early prewar commercial 69996 7.63 22 Mauser C-96 early prewar commercial 195245 7.63 23 Mauser C-96 Bolo 606929 7.63 25 Astra Model 900 3 line logo 33689 9 m/m 26 Astra Model 900 2 line logo 7.36 WALTHER PPK 27 Walther PPK 228430k 7.65 28 Walther PPK 216524k 7.65 29 Walther PPK 981391 7.65 30 Walther PPK 321271k 7.65 31 Walther PPK 173329k 7.65

02-06-2006, 11:15 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	John, I saw on the NAPCA forum about a listing, but it looked a bit different from this. That the guns were being sold by a dealer in MA. If this is a different "stealing", I suggest folks be extra careful the next couple of months, both as a buyer and as a seller... **the fear of every collector... Ed

02-07-2006, 01:08 AM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Ed or John D., You probably ought to 'sticky' this... --Dwight

02-08-2006, 12:15 PM	#9
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	But the NRA insurance can be expensive. __________________ charlie

02-08-2006, 12:56 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I use an outside insurance "collectors Insurance" I think it is, they are about $100 a year for each $25k. NRA is too expensive I think... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-08-2006, 04:07 PM	#11
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	Ed I have my insurance with collectors also. I wonder if they would give a group discount? I wonder how many members would be interested? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-08-2006, 10:01 PM	#12
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	I have my insurannce thru Rielly Insurance Group Inc. in Pembroke, MA. The rates are similar to Collector's Insurance. I was with Rielly for two years and it covers weapons, knives/bayonets, holsters, cleaning rods, magazines, etc. on one policy. I became aware of Collectors insurnce and contacted them for more information. I would be willing to switch if rates were cheaper, coverage was better, etc. (Prior to contacting them I had read their handout I received at a gun show. I noticed two difference. The first was that I could not be sure that all of the weapon realetd items would be on one policy or not. Still have not been able to get an answer to this. The second point was that Collectors wanted all weapons of Value of $5,000 or more to be individually listed with numbers, etc and specific values. With Rielly, the only ones that had to be so listed were those with a value of $20,000 or more. Rielly gave a lot more flexability. How many pistols do you have that are $4,000 now and what will they be in a year or so. If they go above $5,000 and you do not make a specific listing, there may or may not be coverage, but in any event, it would not exceed $5,000 in spite of the fact that it might be worth $6,000. So with the Colectors policy you would have to watch the values closely and update the policy often. When the break point is $20,000, then there is much less a problem.) Anyhow, I contacted them and asked whether there would be one policy or not. Never received an answer. Also I asked Collectors what were the differences between their policy and the policy offered by Rielly. I was told that Collectors did not know the difference between the policies as they had never seen a policy from Rielly. (If true, they sure do not check out their competition like the companies in other areas do.) But when they said they did not know what was in the policy offered by Rielly, I decided not to change because (1) they either were not competent or were not telling me the truth and (2) perhaps they did not want to tell me because their policy was inferior to the one offered by Rielly. . __________________ charlie

02-09-2006, 08:24 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Very good input Charles... thanks much! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-09-2006, 09:18 AM	#14
Steve Honey New User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good morning everyone, I am posting this for my father, who had his entire collection stolen. We really appreciate everyone getting the word out to as many people as possible, if anyone see's or hears anything please contact us. Ryan Honey

02-09-2006, 09:28 AM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ryan, Best wishes to you and your father for a speedy recovery and prosecution of those involved... I always look for Swiss luger in my travels... I will get an eye out for your serial number...

02-16-2006, 12:08 AM	#16
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	#12 1916 DWM does not have a serial number attached. Big Norm

02-16-2006, 10:17 AM	#17
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Hearing about this makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. If it were me I'd look to acquaintances that knew about the collection. It looks like they knew what the good stuff was to take. This is the one reason that my Lugers and other valuable guns are locked up in a safe. I also have a top of the line alarm system. Won't stop them if theyÃ¢??re determined, but will slow them down quite a bit. I am going to a gun show this weekend and will post the list there and to a few other collectors that don't get on the internet. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

08-12-2006, 11:29 AM	#18
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	For what it is worth, I passed this list to my club members in Malta. __________________ I prefer a Luger

11-22-2006, 11:07 AM	#19
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Good news! One of my customers spotted these lugers at a Flee Market, and all but 5 have been recoved by the police. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-22-2006, 11:20 AM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	amazing and how nice! thanks Tom!!! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV