unit markings

Bmax · 06-04-2023, 07:48 AM

hello,

my 1939 luger has this unit marking S.A.4.K.19. what does it mean?

thank you

Doubs · 06-04-2023, 12:18 PM

Using Jeff Noll's fine book on Imperial German Regimental Markings, it would translate as follows: Feldsignal-Abteilung, Kompagnie 4, Waffen 19 or Field Signal Detachment, Company 4, Weapon number 19

However, those are WW1 Imperial German Army unit markings and are out of place on a 1939 Mauser. It would seem that you have a Luger with a WW1 era frame and later upper; at least the toggle train. Clear, detailed pictures of both sides and top of your Luger would help to determine exactly what you have.

Bmax · 06-07-2023, 01:18 PM

hi,

i did my best with the pictures, in german we would say "er hat sich stets bemüht.."
i am surprised, the shop i bought the gun years ago, said that it was a ww2 gun an all numbers except the grips and sideplate matching.

i use the gun weekly on the shooting range with only two mechanical fails, broken extractor?(auszieher) and broken firing pin ( ~7k rounds)

grüße

Doubs · 06-07-2023, 01:28 PM

Bmax, from your pictures it looks as if the front of the frame has been ground to remove the original serial number and a new one stamped. There is also an "X" on the left side of the receiver that possibly indicates this was what is commonly referred to as a "Russian Capture" Luger. It's a nice looking Luger and should be a fine shooter.

PolishX · 06-11-2023, 11:18 PM

If it was used in police service S.A. is Aurich District Schupo but that the markings consistent with the 1932 Schupo marking guide says the 4 should be a roman numeral

06-04-2023, 07:48 AM	#1
Bmax New User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Germany Posts: 4 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	unit markings hello, my 1939 luger has this unit marking S.A.4.K.19. what does it mean? thank you Attached Thumbnails

06-07-2023, 01:18 PM	#3
Bmax New User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Germany Posts: 4 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi, i did my best with the pictures, in german we would say "er hat sich stets bemüht.." i am surprised, the shop i bought the gun years ago, said that it was a ww2 gun an all numbers except the grips and sideplate matching. i use the gun weekly on the shooting range with only two mechanical fails, broken extractor?(auszieher) and broken firing pin ( ~7k rounds) grüße Attached Thumbnails

06-04-2023, 12:18 PM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,697 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,684 Times in 553 Posts	Using Jeff Noll's fine book on Imperial German Regimental Markings, it would translate as follows: Feldsignal-Abteilung, Kompagnie 4, Waffen 19 or Field Signal Detachment, Company 4, Weapon number 19 However, those are WW1 Imperial German Army unit markings and are out of place on a 1939 Mauser. It would seem that you have a Luger with a WW1 era frame and later upper; at least the toggle train. Clear, detailed pictures of both sides and top of your Luger would help to determine exactly what you have.

06-07-2023, 01:28 PM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,697 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,684 Times in 553 Posts	Bmax, from your pictures it looks as if the front of the frame has been ground to remove the original serial number and a new one stamped. There is also an "X" on the left side of the receiver that possibly indicates this was what is commonly referred to as a "Russian Capture" Luger. It's a nice looking Luger and should be a fine shooter.

06-11-2023, 11:18 PM	#5
PolishX User Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Wasilla Alaska Posts: 24 Thanks: 24 Thanked 18 Times in 11 Posts	If it was used in police service S.A. is Aurich District Schupo but that the markings consistent with the 1932 Schupo marking guide says the 4 should be a roman numeral