Idea of cost on a matching Navy in poor condition?

Jasta2 · 10-18-2009, 03:07 PM

I realy want to own a original matching Navy ( maybe many do!) Yet most I find are of better grade and start in the $4,000and up tange. I never have seen a 'lower quaility mayching Navy for sale. I wouls be pleanty happy to come across a poor condition Navy with 60% finish with some pitting just to own a original. I know many Navies were changed after WW1 and maybe the Navies that avoided this were more 'personal' Lugers that were never turned in. Just a thought.
Thanks,Bill

Ron Smith · 10-18-2009, 03:49 PM

Bill,

Even a 50% all matching and original Imperial Navy is going to cost $2000+, maybe closer to $2500.

Ron

Lugerdoc · 10-19-2009, 10:56 AM

From what I see at auctions, the ugly matching ones start @$3500+. TH

Jasta2 · 10-19-2009, 11:19 AM

My trouble is that I could be easily faked out by some of these repo Navies. I would rather buy from a forum member or have a forum look at a few pictures and get a opinon. That is fine with Online auctions and Luger online shops like Simpsons, but stuck with my own judgement if I find one at a local gunshow.
Bill

Ron Smith · 10-19-2009, 11:25 AM

Imperial Navy Lugers are a minefield, if you're not complelely knowledgable as to the minute red flags.

There are some boosters who have become experts at fakery. It takes a trained eye and a microscope to pick them out. And there are a ton of them floating around.

Good Luck...

Ron

Jasta2 · 10-19-2009, 11:42 AM

Thanks Ron, but it makes my sprit drop. As with military badge collecting, so many fakes,repos now I've quit collecting. Now that there is no longer a East Germany, some of the old WW2 German badge original tooling was found there and now some of these "new"badges are so exact that long time collectors are fooled. With the same tooling/dies, no wonder. I am told it is the metal content that gives the new one away.
Bill

Ron Smith · 10-19-2009, 11:56 AM

Bill,

Sorry to be a wet blanket, but it's the way things are. I'm not saying don't. I'm just saying make damned sure.

Back when I first started seriously collecting. I found a nice Imperial Navy on a reputable dealer's site. I almost jumped, but decided to do some serious inquiring first.

It was a fake, and later saw it on the same dealer's site described as a "well done fake", at a much lower price. Evidently someone had brought the error to their attention.

Tom Armstrong "Navy" has an excellent "sticky" at the top of the Navy Luger section, on what to avoid and what to look for.

Ron

Navy · 10-19-2009, 03:03 PM

Jasta,
If you are serious about acquiring a Navy, I suggest you try to find one from the Reichsmarine (Weimar-era). For reasons that elude me, these guns are greatly under valued and bargains can be found if you are dilligent.
Tom A

Jasta2 · 10-19-2009, 10:47 PM

I am serious. It's finding a Navy that does not cost a arm and leg. I guess that means $5k+

fgsinc · 10-20-2009, 11:08 AM

Let me know what you are looking for and we probably have something in your price range.

fgsinc · 10-20-2009, 11:09 AM

Check our website www.fgsfirearms.com

Ron Smith · 10-20-2009, 11:53 AM

Bill,

There you go. If you want assurance of authenticity. FGS is the place.

Ron

cirelaw · 10-20-2009, 12:02 PM

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10-18-2009, 03:07 PM	#1
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Idea of cost on a matching Navy in poor condition? I realy want to own a original matching Navy ( maybe many do!) Yet most I find are of better grade and start in the $4,000and up tange. I never have seen a 'lower quaility mayching Navy for sale. I wouls be pleanty happy to come across a poor condition Navy with 60% finish with some pitting just to own a original. I know many Navies were changed after WW1 and maybe the Navies that avoided this were more 'personal' Lugers that were never turned in. Just a thought. Thanks,Bill

10-18-2009, 03:49 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Bill, Even a 50% all matching and original Imperial Navy is going to cost $2000+, maybe closer to $2500. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-19-2009, 10:56 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	From what I see at auctions, the ugly matching ones start @$3500+. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-19-2009, 11:25 AM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Imperial Navy Lugers are a minefield, if you're not complelely knowledgable as to the minute red flags. There are some boosters who have become experts at fakery. It takes a trained eye and a microscope to pick them out. And there are a ton of them floating around. Good Luck... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-19-2009, 11:56 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Bill, Sorry to be a wet blanket, but it's the way things are. I'm not saying don't. I'm just saying make damned sure. Back when I first started seriously collecting. I found a nice Imperial Navy on a reputable dealer's site. I almost jumped, but decided to do some serious inquiring first. It was a fake, and later saw it on the same dealer's site described as a "well done fake", at a much lower price. Evidently someone had brought the error to their attention. Tom Armstrong "Navy" has an excellent "sticky" at the top of the Navy Luger section, on what to avoid and what to look for. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-19-2009, 11:19 AM	#4
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	My trouble is that I could be easily faked out by some of these repo Navies. I would rather buy from a forum member or have a forum look at a few pictures and get a opinon. That is fine with Online auctions and Luger online shops like Simpsons, but stuck with my own judgement if I find one at a local gunshow. Bill

10-19-2009, 11:42 AM	#6
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Thanks Ron, but it makes my sprit drop. As with military badge collecting, so many fakes,repos now I've quit collecting. Now that there is no longer a East Germany, some of the old WW2 German badge original tooling was found there and now some of these "new"badges are so exact that long time collectors are fooled. With the same tooling/dies, no wonder. I am told it is the metal content that gives the new one away. Bill

10-19-2009, 03:03 PM	#8
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Jasta, If you are serious about acquiring a Navy, I suggest you try to find one from the Reichsmarine (Weimar-era). For reasons that elude me, these guns are greatly under valued and bargains can be found if you are dilligent. Tom A

10-19-2009, 10:47 PM	#9
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	I am serious. It's finding a Navy that does not cost a arm and leg. I guess that means $5k+

10-20-2009, 11:08 AM	#10
fgsinc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Let me know what you are looking for and we probably have something in your price range.

10-20-2009, 11:09 AM	#11
fgsinc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Check our website www.fgsfirearms.com

10-20-2009, 11:53 AM	#12
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Bill, There you go. If you want assurance of authenticity. FGS is the place. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-20-2009, 12:02 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I bought Walther P38s from this Family for years> They stand behind everything they sell! Give them a call. They love to chat!