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Unread 08-12-2006, 12:49 PM   #1
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Default P code Krieghoff

Seems to be a nice P code commercial Krieghoff
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Unread 08-12-2006, 01:26 PM   #2
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Hi JM,

Is this your gun ?

Do you have more photos you can post ?

There was a P-59 posted in this HK section on the Luger Forum back in 2-11-2006.

Do you know the serial number of the gun in your photos ?
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JM, welcome to the forum... As a first post, you gave us no information?

Is it yours?

Did you see it?

Do you have a real name?

Are you asking a question? showing off? sharing?

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This gun is in europe.
It is to share pictures of an unusual Krieghoff, and to determine type and value.
I will try to have more accurate pictures in a few days.

Thank you for your help
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P-59 is now with its new Arizonan owner who is extremely particular and elated with Mr 59. He also purchased from me an FN framed P 38. and a beautiful Eagle F PP.
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Unread 09-07-2006, 05:32 PM   #6
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New pictures of this Krieghoff P series
caliber 7.65 mm
barrel 150 mm
brown plastic grips
five pointed star rejection marking

Looking for this Krieghoff in the Randall Gibson book (second edition, page 196), I thing it is a P code series I, the same one than 10e.licorne lower in this forum.
Can somebody help me to determine if it is right and the value

Many thanks and sorry for my bad english







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Unread 09-08-2006, 07:48 PM   #7
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Hi JM,

Your English is very good! But the pictures are better!!

In short - from the photographs above - while I *might* have a few issues left unanswered - the HK above looks like it is probably correct. These issues are:

Take-down lever - your picture is only fair. I am looking for the correct polishing marks, which I can not see in your pictures;

Internal pictures. These are not present, so I do not know if the internals are correct as marked;

Polishing on toggle links. Appears correct from the pictures? TL Stamp looks correct as well - but again - only first hand inspection woud tell..?

OK - so *if* it is verified - what would it be worth?

In that barrel length in the represented condition - it would sell for approximately $15,000 - $20,000 US.

However - that is if it is all "correct" in straw/blue - and the internals are correctly stamped for an Early "P Code". Only a personal inspection by a noted collector could determine those, however (there are some pretty great fakes of "P-Code" Krieghoffs I've seen..!!)

From these few pictures - I'm more inclined to say yours is not a fake - but again, I can't say it isn't until your HK is verified by a collector who knows Krieghoffs and also knows what to look for.. Since you are in France - and I am in the USA - that person probably would not be me!!

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Hello John

Many thanks for your answer
On the following messages, you will find detailed pictures.
The magazine number doesn't match
Is there any other hidden marking ?
Thank you for your opinion
Best regards
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Merci, Jean!

Les images montrent exactement l'endroit que je veux voir. Votre Krieghoff regarde etre correct, de ce que les images montrent. Merci pour poster les images! Par ce que je vois - c'est magnifique!

Je dirai encore - je crois, vraiment - que 15,000 - 20,000 US est un correct prix sur votre HK. Il n'est pas un problem avec le magazine - c'est typique avec the "P Code". Il y a becooup les types qui arrivee avec the HK "commercials" - et, cette type, c'est "daccord" (Je ne sais pas le mot en francais) pour en la. Aussi - c'est un variation premiere en la "P" code.

Je souhaite que je pourrais regarder votre luger....

Merci une autre temps, Jean. C'est tres bon...

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Nice pictures Jean!

John, that much, wow...


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Hi Ed,

Sorry about the delayed reply - yesterday was a killer - and I get to do it all again as SeptemberFest is in full swing today as well...

Anyway, yes... If the HK above is verfied (as noted a few posts ago - it certainly appears as correct, except for the mag as Jean mentions. However, that aspect is made up for given the condition. Verified first series P Codes have been jumping in price over the last years - and the last one I'm aware of in that configuration went for $13500 - in lesser condition...

Makes you wonder which is a better investment - the stock market or Lugers

Best to you!

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Babel Fish translation of one of John D's. posting :

" Thank you, Jean! The images show the place exactly that I want to see. Your Krieghoff looks at being correct, of what the images show. Thank you for poster images! By what I see - it is splendid! I will still say - I believe, really - that 15,000 - 20,000 US is a correct price on your HK. It is not a problem with the magazine - it is typical with the "P Codes". There is becooup the types which arrivee with the HK "commercials" - and, this type, it is "daccord" (I do not know the French word) for in. Also - it is a variation premiere in "P" codes. I wish that I could look at your luger.... Thank you another time, Jean. It is very good... John "
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