P code Krieghoff

ibmi5 · 08-12-2006, 12:49 PM

Seems to be a nice P code commercial Krieghoff

Pete Ebbink · 08-12-2006, 01:26 PM

Hi JM,

Is this your gun ?

Do you have more photos you can post ?

There was a P-59 posted in this HK section on the Luger Forum back in 2-11-2006.

Do you know the serial number of the gun in your photos ?

Edward Tinker · 08-12-2006, 01:38 PM

JM, welcome to the forum... As a first post, you gave us no information?

Is it yours?

Did you see it?

Do you have a real name?

Are you asking a question? showing off? sharing?

????

ed

ibmi5 · 08-12-2006, 03:17 PM

This gun is in europe.
It is to share pictures of an unusual Krieghoff, and to determine type and value.
I will try to have more accurate pictures in a few days.

Thank you for your help

hqbmw · 08-14-2006, 01:47 AM

P-59 is now with its new Arizonan owner who is extremely particular and elated with Mr 59. He also purchased from me an FN framed P 38. and a beautiful Eagle F PP.

ibmi5 · 09-07-2006, 05:32 PM

New pictures of this Krieghoff P series
caliber 7.65 mm
barrel 150 mm
brown plastic grips
five pointed star rejection marking

Looking for this Krieghoff in the Randall Gibson book (second edition, page 196), I thing it is a P code series I, the same one than 10e.licorne lower in this forum.
Can somebody help me to determine if it is right and the value

Many thanks and sorry for my bad english

John D. · 09-08-2006, 07:48 PM

Hi JM,

Your English is very good! But the pictures are better!!

In short - from the photographs above - while I *might* have a few issues left unanswered - the HK above looks like it is probably correct. These issues are:

Take-down lever - your picture is only fair. I am looking for the correct polishing marks, which I can not see in your pictures;

Internal pictures. These are not present, so I do not know if the internals are correct as marked;

Polishing on toggle links. Appears correct from the pictures? TL Stamp looks correct as well - but again - only first hand inspection woud tell..?

OK - so *if* it is verified - what would it be worth?

In that barrel length in the represented condition - it would sell for approximately $15,000 - $20,000 US.

However - that is if it is all "correct" in straw/blue - and the internals are correctly stamped for an Early "P Code". Only a personal inspection by a noted collector could determine those, however (there are some pretty great fakes of "P-Code" Krieghoffs I've seen..!!)

From these few pictures - I'm more inclined to say yours is not a fake - but again, I can't say it isn't until your HK is verified by a collector who knows Krieghoffs and also knows what to look for.. Since you are in France - and I am in the USA - that person probably would not be me!!

John D.

ibmi5 · 09-09-2006, 06:43 PM

Hello John

Many thanks for your answer
On the following messages, you will find detailed pictures.
The magazine number doesn't match
Is there any other hidden marking ?
Thank you for your opinion
Best regards
Jean

ibmi5 · 09-09-2006, 06:50 PM

ibmi5 · 09-09-2006, 06:55 PM

ibmi5 · 09-09-2006, 06:57 PM

John D. · 09-09-2006, 08:33 PM

Merci, Jean!

Les images montrent exactement l'endroit que je veux voir. Votre Krieghoff regarde etre correct, de ce que les images montrent. Merci pour poster les images! Par ce que je vois - c'est magnifique!

Je dirai encore - je crois, vraiment - que 15,000 - 20,000 US est un correct prix sur votre HK. Il n'est pas un problem avec le magazine - c'est typique avec the "P Code". Il y a becooup les types qui arrivee avec the HK "commercials" - et, cette type, c'est "daccord" (Je ne sais pas le mot en francais) pour en la. Aussi - c'est un variation premiere en la "P" code.

Je souhaite que je pourrais regarder votre luger....

Merci une autre temps, Jean. C'est tres bon...

John

Edward Tinker · 09-09-2006, 11:13 PM

Nice pictures Jean!

John, that much, wow...

Ed

John D. · 09-10-2006, 08:08 AM

Hi Ed,

Sorry about the delayed reply - yesterday was a killer - and I get to do it all again as SeptemberFest is in full swing today as well...

Anyway, yes... If the HK above is verfied (as noted a few posts ago - it certainly appears as correct, except for the mag as Jean mentions. However, that aspect is made up for given the condition. Verified first series P Codes have been jumping in price over the last years - and the last one I'm aware of in that configuration went for $13500 - in lesser condition...

Makes you wonder which is a better investment - the stock market or Lugers

Best to you!

John D.

Pete Ebbink · 07-13-2007, 04:07 PM

Babel Fish translation of one of John D's. posting :

" Thank you, Jean! The images show the place exactly that I want to see. Your Krieghoff looks at being correct, of what the images show. Thank you for poster images! By what I see - it is splendid! I will still say - I believe, really - that 15,000 - 20,000 US is a correct price on your HK. It is not a problem with the magazine - it is typical with the "P Codes". There is becooup the types which arrivee with the HK "commercials" - and, this type, it is "daccord" (I do not know the French word) for in. Also - it is a variation premiere in "P" codes. I wish that I could look at your luger.... Thank you another time, Jean. It is very good... John "

08-12-2006, 12:49 PM	#1
ibmi5 User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P code Krieghoff Seems to be a nice P code commercial Krieghoff Attached Thumbnails

08-12-2006, 01:38 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,031 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	JM, welcome to the forum... As a first post, you gave us no information? Is it yours? Did you see it? Do you have a real name? Are you asking a question? showing off? sharing? ???? ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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hqbmw User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P-59 is now with its new Arizonan owner who is extremely particular and elated with Mr 59. He also purchased from me an FN framed P 38. and a beautiful Eagle F PP. __________________ Jack Hiles Mesa AZ

09-09-2006, 11:13 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,031 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Nice pictures Jean! John, that much, wow... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-12-2006, 01:26 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi JM, Is this your gun ? Do you have more photos you can post ? There was a P-59 posted in this HK section on the Luger Forum back in 2-11-2006. Do you know the serial number of the gun in your photos ?

08-12-2006, 03:17 PM	#4
ibmi5 User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This gun is in europe. It is to share pictures of an unusual Krieghoff, and to determine type and value. I will try to have more accurate pictures in a few days. Thank you for your help

09-07-2006, 05:32 PM	#6
ibmi5 User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New pictures of this Krieghoff P series caliber 7.65 mm barrel 150 mm brown plastic grips five pointed star rejection marking Looking for this Krieghoff in the Randall Gibson book (second edition, page 196), I thing it is a P code series I, the same one than 10e.licorne lower in this forum. Can somebody help me to determine if it is right and the value Many thanks and sorry for my bad english

09-08-2006, 07:48 PM	#7
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi JM, Your English is very good! But the pictures are better!! In short - from the photographs above - while I might have a few issues left unanswered - the HK above looks like it is probably correct. These issues are: Take-down lever - your picture is only fair. I am looking for the correct polishing marks, which I can not see in your pictures; Internal pictures. These are not present, so I do not know if the internals are correct as marked; Polishing on toggle links. Appears correct from the pictures? TL Stamp looks correct as well - but again - only first hand inspection woud tell..? OK - so if it is verified - what would it be worth? In that barrel length in the represented condition - it would sell for approximately $15,000 - $20,000 US. However - that is if it is all "correct" in straw/blue - and the internals are correctly stamped for an Early "P Code". Only a personal inspection by a noted collector could determine those, however (there are some pretty great fakes of "P-Code" Krieghoffs I've seen..!!) From these few pictures - I'm more inclined to say yours is not a fake - but again, I can't say it isn't until your HK is verified by a collector who knows Krieghoffs and also knows what to look for.. Since you are in France - and I am in the USA - that person probably would not be me!! John D.

09-09-2006, 06:43 PM	#8
ibmi5 User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello John Many thanks for your answer On the following messages, you will find detailed pictures. The magazine number doesn't match Is there any other hidden marking ? Thank you for your opinion Best regards Jean

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John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Merci, Jean! Les images montrent exactement l'endroit que je veux voir. Votre Krieghoff regarde etre correct, de ce que les images montrent. Merci pour poster les images! Par ce que je vois - c'est magnifique! Je dirai encore - je crois, vraiment - que 15,000 - 20,000 US est un correct prix sur votre HK. Il n'est pas un problem avec le magazine - c'est typique avec the "P Code". Il y a becooup les types qui arrivee avec the HK "commercials" - et, cette type, c'est "daccord" (Je ne sais pas le mot en francais) pour en la. Aussi - c'est un variation premiere en la "P" code. Je souhaite que je pourrais regarder votre luger.... Merci une autre temps, Jean. C'est tres bon... John

09-10-2006, 08:08 AM	#14
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Ed, Sorry about the delayed reply - yesterday was a killer - and I get to do it all again as SeptemberFest is in full swing today as well... Anyway, yes... If the HK above is verfied (as noted a few posts ago - it certainly appears as correct, except for the mag as Jean mentions. However, that aspect is made up for given the condition. Verified first series P Codes have been jumping in price over the last years - and the last one I'm aware of in that configuration went for $13500 - in lesser condition... Makes you wonder which is a better investment - the stock market or Lugers Best to you! John D.

07-13-2007, 04:07 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Babel Fish translation of one of John D's. posting : " Thank you, Jean! The images show the place exactly that I want to see. Your Krieghoff looks at being correct, of what the images show. Thank you for poster images! By what I see - it is splendid! I will still say - I believe, really - that 15,000 - 20,000 US is a correct price on your HK. It is not a problem with the magazine - it is typical with the "P Codes". There is becooup the types which arrivee with the HK "commercials" - and, this type, it is "daccord" (I do not know the French word) for in. Also - it is a variation premiere in "P" codes. I wish that I could look at your luger.... Thank you another time, Jean. It is very good... John "