AE 7557 (now with pictures)

2grimjim · 10-08-2007, 10:31 PM

New to this forum and I have a M1900 AE s/n 7557.
It's been in my family for about 80 years (no, it's not for sale!) We think it was originally purchased out of a Wards catalog in the 1920's by my great uncle. It spent nearly 40 years loaded in my fathers nightstand until 1988 [EDIT: ok, my pop only had it in yhe night stand for 20 years, but my great aunt had it in the same service for 20 before] when I bought him a Colt Trooper Mk.III to replace it with (7.65 Luger ammo was getting hart to find by then).
This particular weapon has the narrow grip safety, no "GERMANY" marking, and the "Flaming Bomb" mark on the underside of the breach, the bottom of the lug well, inside of the trigger cover, and the inside of each grip half. The last two digits of the s/n are stamped on the inside of the grip halves, the back of the toggle (under the rear sight), on the underside of the toggle (opposite of the DWM script), on the bottom edge of the trigger cover plate (directly above the trigger), on the left side of the takedown pin, on the lug on the bottom of the breech end of the barrel, [ EDIT: and on the flat side (under the grip) of the grip safety]. All markings, including the DWM and American Eagle are sharp and clear. There are no marks on the magazine.
The finish is about 80% with the barrel having a slight rust haze and the bluing worn off the raised edges of the frame, trigger plate, and the front strap of the grip. The rear strap has a slight to moderate rust hue to the bluing.
The right grip is in in very good condition with slight oil staining on the top corner near the trigger. The left grip has been cracked along its full length and glued back together (about 1 5/8" of the checkering along the crack is damaged) and a small part of the grip (1/8"x3/8") near the safety is missing.
The magazine is in good condition with some small dark discolorations but the brushed finish is still recognizable. The wood block at the bottom is in good condition save for some oil staining and a slight ding.
The dovetailed piece that the toggle lock engages is missing.
The barrel I.D. is in very good condition, the rifling is distinct and sharp and the chamber and throat don't show any visable wear.
Last winter my pop told me it was time that I shoud have it and he gave it to me!
Not a bad trade for a Colt trooper Mk.III.
I can post pics if anyone wishes!

MFC · 10-08-2007, 10:54 PM

I do! I do!

Ron Wood · 10-08-2007, 11:19 PM

Jim,
Congratulations on acquiring "Pop's Luger"! Thank you for adding another serial number to the list of that enigmatic group of Lugers that bear the characteristics of those tested by the US Army. I have been tracking these guns for many years. I would very much appreciate if you could email me at rwood1@elp.rr.com and provide me with your name, the name of your father and your great uncle. This is not for publication but of interest to me to maintain a history of these fascinating pieces, and particularly this one whose lineage can be traced back 80 years! The Wards catalog information is priceless! Thank you.
Ron

LugerVern · 10-09-2007, 06:00 AM

I am so excited

and a little jealous

If possible could you get close ups of the small/narrow grip safety showing the detail outside the gun and if your grips come off easily the detail of the part under the grips.

Please be extremely careful of removing that left grip, it sticks some times and you can break it.

I am interested in the machining detail between the wide and narrow grips, and your gun sounds like a good one for comparison.

Thanks

Vern

2grimjim · 10-09-2007, 01:41 PM

Ok, here's some pics of AE 7557

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Edward Tinker · 10-09-2007, 02:43 PM

nice. can you post pictures here on the forum, so member don't have to leave this and open up non-forum pictures?

Ed

2grimjim · 10-09-2007, 08:15 PM

Don't now how to do that.
Can anyone explain how to post photos diferently?

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2007, 08:20 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/forumdis...s=&forumid=133

in short there are two ways to post pictures, upper right of forum, you can post many (but must sacve url one at a time)

and the 2nd way is to use the upload when you post a thread or posting (NOT using the quick reply)

2grimjim · 10-09-2007, 08:46 PM

Lets see if this works

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2007, 08:49 PM

well done and very nice looking 1900

2grimjim · 10-09-2007, 09:16 PM

Ok. I think I have the photo business figured out. I'll leave the other post with the links to http://www.allyoucanupload.com since they are much higher resolution and you can zoom in.

LugerVern · 10-10-2007, 12:14 AM

Great pictures, now I can ask the AE collectors some questions.

1)Has there been any research on the serialization placement of triggers?
I noticed that there is a change over from top to side

Thanks

Vern

alvin · 01-06-2008, 09:49 PM

I'd like to borrow one of Jim's picture to ask a question. There are a few individual "dots" on the under side of the receiver. They do not look to be pits but I don't know what could be the cause of those dots.... if it's ding, why gun blue inside...... Any comments? Thanks.

LugerVern · 01-06-2008, 11:59 PM

Not sure, but could be hardness testing marks

I will let the more enlightened say for sure

Vern

MFC · 01-07-2008, 12:15 AM

Alvin,
Pits shouldn't have blue in them, but dings can, just as stamps do that were stamped after the gun was blued.
Mike C.

Lugerdoc · 01-07-2008, 09:14 AM

Jim, Your M1900 luger pictured above, appears to be missing the toggle lock piece from the right side of frame. I do have this piece in stock @$40, if you wish to add it. hellerarms@webtv.net

10-08-2007, 10:31 PM	#1
2grimjim User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	AE 7557 (now with pictures) New to this forum and I have a M1900 AE s/n 7557. It's been in my family for about 80 years (no, it's not for sale!) We think it was originally purchased out of a Wards catalog in the 1920's by my great uncle. It spent nearly 40 years loaded in my fathers nightstand until 1988 [EDIT: ok, my pop only had it in yhe night stand for 20 years, but my great aunt had it in the same service for 20 before] when I bought him a Colt Trooper Mk.III to replace it with (7.65 Luger ammo was getting hart to find by then). This particular weapon has the narrow grip safety, no "GERMANY" marking, and the "Flaming Bomb" mark on the underside of the breach, the bottom of the lug well, inside of the trigger cover, and the inside of each grip half. The last two digits of the s/n are stamped on the inside of the grip halves, the back of the toggle (under the rear sight), on the underside of the toggle (opposite of the DWM script), on the bottom edge of the trigger cover plate (directly above the trigger), on the left side of the takedown pin, on the lug on the bottom of the breech end of the barrel, [ EDIT: and on the flat side (under the grip) of the grip safety]. All markings, including the DWM and American Eagle are sharp and clear. There are no marks on the magazine. The finish is about 80% with the barrel having a slight rust haze and the bluing worn off the raised edges of the frame, trigger plate, and the front strap of the grip. The rear strap has a slight to moderate rust hue to the bluing. The right grip is in in very good condition with slight oil staining on the top corner near the trigger. The left grip has been cracked along its full length and glued back together (about 1 5/8" of the checkering along the crack is damaged) and a small part of the grip (1/8"x3/8") near the safety is missing. The magazine is in good condition with some small dark discolorations but the brushed finish is still recognizable. The wood block at the bottom is in good condition save for some oil staining and a slight ding. The dovetailed piece that the toggle lock engages is missing. The barrel I.D. is in very good condition, the rifling is distinct and sharp and the chamber and throat don't show any visable wear. Last winter my pop told me it was time that I shoud have it and he gave it to me! Not a bad trade for a Colt trooper Mk.III. I can post pics if anyone wishes!

10-08-2007, 10:54 PM	#2
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I do! I do! __________________ Mike C.

10-08-2007, 11:19 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Jim, Congratulations on acquiring "Pop's Luger"! Thank you for adding another serial number to the list of that enigmatic group of Lugers that bear the characteristics of those tested by the US Army. I have been tracking these guns for many years. I would very much appreciate if you could email me at rwood1@elp.rr.com and provide me with your name, the name of your father and your great uncle. This is not for publication but of interest to me to maintain a history of these fascinating pieces, and particularly this one whose lineage can be traced back 80 years! The Wards catalog information is priceless! Thank you. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-09-2007, 01:41 PM	#5
2grimjim User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, here's some pics of AE 7557 [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG]

10-09-2007, 02:43 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	nice. can you post pictures here on the forum, so member don't have to leave this and open up non-forum pictures? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2007, 06:00 AM	#4
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	I am so excited and a little jealous If possible could you get close ups of the small/narrow grip safety showing the detail outside the gun and if your grips come off easily the detail of the part under the grips. Please be extremely careful of removing that left grip, it sticks some times and you can break it. I am interested in the machining detail between the wide and narrow grips, and your gun sounds like a good one for comparison. Thanks Vern

10-09-2007, 08:15 PM	#7
2grimjim User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't now how to do that. Can anyone explain how to post photos diferently? __________________ Why does everything that's fun have to offend so many people?

10-09-2007, 08:20 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	http://forum.lugerforum.com/forumdis...s=&forumid=133 in short there are two ways to post pictures, upper right of forum, you can post many (but must sacve url one at a time) and the 2nd way is to use the upload when you post a thread or posting (NOT using the quick reply)

10-09-2007, 08:46 PM	#9
2grimjim User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lets see if this works Attached Thumbnails

10-09-2007, 08:49 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	well done and very nice looking 1900

10-09-2007, 09:16 PM	#11
2grimjim User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok. I think I have the photo business figured out. I'll leave the other post with the links to http://www.allyoucanupload.com since they are much higher resolution and you can zoom in.

10-10-2007, 12:14 AM	#12
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Great pictures, now I can ask the AE collectors some questions. 1)Has there been any research on the serialization placement of triggers? I noticed that there is a change over from top to side Thanks Vern

01-06-2008, 09:49 PM	#13
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I'd like to borrow one of Jim's picture to ask a question. There are a few individual "dots" on the under side of the receiver. They do not look to be pits but I don't know what could be the cause of those dots.... if it's ding, why gun blue inside...... Any comments? Thanks. Attached Thumbnails

01-06-2008, 11:59 PM	#14
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Not sure, but could be hardness testing marks I will let the more enlightened say for sure Vern

01-07-2008, 12:15 AM	#15
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Alvin, Pits shouldn't have blue in them, but dings can, just as stamps do that were stamped after the gun was blued. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

01-07-2008, 09:14 AM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Jim, Your M1900 luger pictured above, appears to be missing the toggle lock piece from the right side of frame. I do have this piece in stock @$40, if you wish to add it. hellerarms@webtv.net __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net