Toggle does not fit correctly

Zamex · 04-11-2015, 04:34 PM

Hi,
I got a "new" P.08 and tried to disasseble it. When I reassembled it back, it does not work anymore

The toggle part seems not to fit correctly into the barrel extension part. Please see photo:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...411_221756.jpg

What can be wrong?

mrerick · 04-11-2015, 04:51 PM

The recoil spring lever hooks probably didn't engage with the recoil "S" linkage lever properly. Check out the re-assembly instructions on this site.

Marc

sheepherder · 04-11-2015, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

The recoil spring lever hooks probably didn't engage with the recoil "S" linkage lever properly.

That happened with my 1900AE - The pistol was assembled with the "S" lever [coupling link] behind the mainspring ears [flat mainspring; it would be the recoil lever on yours]. I couldn't even get the cannon assembly off. I took the grips off, poked at various things, held it upside down, jiggled it, and something finally moved and I could slide the cannon off. then re-assemble it and it worked perfectly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zamex

What can be wrong?

Um...Your P08 seems to be in rather rough condition...Was it stored in a root cellar or a damp basement since 1945???

It's possible the innards are pretty corroded...

Vlim · 04-11-2015, 10:39 PM

Looking at the photo above, the rear toggle pin (in the toggle knob) has moved outwards. It should go further in, normally it is held in place by a small retaining pin from the top. Judging from the state of the pistol, that retaining pin is probably no longer there.

Zamex · 04-12-2015, 04:42 AM

Few more photos... still cant figure it out

The gun was in working condition before I tried to disassembled it. I did disassemble only the top part - to the point where I took the striker out and reassebled it. I did not took apart the handle.
As you can see.. it does not fit already when the top part - barrel-toggle - is separated.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...412_103024.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...412_103350.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...412_103416.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...412_103440.jpg

Vlim · 04-12-2015, 07:10 AM

The pin going through the toggle knobs is wrong. It should not look that way. That is your problem.

hayhugh · 04-12-2015, 08:11 AM

very good photos even with the flash. Too bad about the gun!

Diver6106 · 04-12-2015, 03:57 PM

THAT is a well worn veteran, possibly dug up, or from Louisiana? It needs, no begs for a total breakdown and thorough cleaning with liberal use of WD-40 to push out moisture. Then remove rust & crude with a brass brush, wipe each part down and insure all parts move smoothly, then put it back together and insure pins all seat properly. Check that the receiver axle is pushed in properly with the lip seated. Also insure the coupling link engages the recoil lever properly. I bought a P.38 in similar condition from Louisiana and thought it probably went through Hurricane Katrina, with immersion for several weeks.

Zamex · 04-13-2015, 02:01 AM

Vlim - OK but what is wrong with that pin? How should it look? Can you point me to a photo? The small retaining pin is in place so I dont understand how the pin could move.

To everyone - the gun looks this way only from outside. No need to clean anything, no Katrina survivor, no rust. Inside is in good shape, working and shooting, modified to shoot only 7,62x25 blanks, and WORKS. At least it worked two days ago before a took it partially apart. It is a 1917 made, who knows what it might have seen..

Zamex · 04-13-2015, 02:11 PM

All right.... the pistol works again

I have contacted the previous owner and found out that the toggle pin that is wrong is actually a custom made that prevents a complete closing of the bolt. A blank round would not cycle the autoloading mechanism if fully closed, it was tested.
My problem why the gun did now work was that the coupling link (T shaped) did not catch itself into the recoil lever hooks . I have to do it under a specific angle or what... I saw it when assembling without grips.
Now all is OK again

Thanks for any directions posted before!

04-11-2015, 04:34 PM	#1
Zamex New User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Slovakia Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Toggle does not fit correctly Hi, I got a "new" P.08 and tried to disasseble it. When I reassembled it back, it does not work anymore The toggle part seems not to fit correctly into the barrel extension part. Please see photo: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...411_221756.jpg What can be wrong?

04-11-2015, 04:51 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	The recoil spring lever hooks probably didn't engage with the recoil "S" linkage lever properly. Check out the re-assembly instructions on this site. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-11-2015, 10:39 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Looking at the photo above, the rear toggle pin (in the toggle knob) has moved outwards. It should go further in, normally it is held in place by a small retaining pin from the top. Judging from the state of the pistol, that retaining pin is probably no longer there.

04-12-2015, 04:42 AM	#5
Zamex New User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Slovakia Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Few more photos... still cant figure it out The gun was in working condition before I tried to disassembled it. I did disassemble only the top part - to the point where I took the striker out and reassebled it. I did not took apart the handle. As you can see.. it does not fit already when the top part - barrel-toggle - is separated. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...412_103024.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...412_103350.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...412_103416.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...412_103440.jpg

04-12-2015, 07:10 AM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	The pin going through the toggle knobs is wrong. It should not look that way. That is your problem.

04-12-2015, 08:11 AM	#7
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 882 Thanks: 848 Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts	very good photos even with the flash. Too bad about the gun!

04-12-2015, 03:57 PM	#8
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 244 Thanks: 1,417 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	THAT is a well worn veteran, possibly dug up, or from Louisiana? It needs, no begs for a total breakdown and thorough cleaning with liberal use of WD-40 to push out moisture. Then remove rust & crude with a brass brush, wipe each part down and insure all parts move smoothly, then put it back together and insure pins all seat properly. Check that the receiver axle is pushed in properly with the lip seated. Also insure the coupling link engages the recoil lever properly. I bought a P.38 in similar condition from Louisiana and thought it probably went through Hurricane Katrina, with immersion for several weeks.

04-13-2015, 02:01 AM	#9
Zamex New User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Slovakia Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Vlim - OK but what is wrong with that pin? How should it look? Can you point me to a photo? The small retaining pin is in place so I dont understand how the pin could move. To everyone - the gun looks this way only from outside. No need to clean anything, no Katrina survivor, no rust. Inside is in good shape, working and shooting, modified to shoot only 7,62x25 blanks, and WORKS. At least it worked two days ago before a took it partially apart. It is a 1917 made, who knows what it might have seen..

04-13-2015, 02:11 PM	#10
Zamex New User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Slovakia Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	All right.... the pistol works again I have contacted the previous owner and found out that the toggle pin that is wrong is actually a custom made that prevents a complete closing of the bolt. A blank round would not cycle the autoloading mechanism if fully closed, it was tested. My problem why the gun did now work was that the coupling link (T shaped) did not catch itself into the recoil lever hooks . I have to do it under a specific angle or what... I saw it when assembling without grips. Now all is OK again Thanks for any directions posted before!