Hi!!! Need Help with gift for my Dad.

mgainer23 · 05-16-2011, 11:15 PM

Hi everyone. Im new to the forum, and basically here to find a gift my dad has been searching for forever now. He is not to internet savy so I told him I would help him find his missing Luger piece. Anyways, My father has a 1939 Luger Pistol. He is looking for a Magazine/Clip with the matching number of 1601 to complete it. The larger pieces on his gun have a serial number of 1601, and the smaller have 01 if that helps identify the exact gun. If anyone can help me out please let me know. I have a verified paypal account and can pay immediately. I live in Indianapolis. Feel free to email me at home_brews@yahoo.com with LUGER in the subject please, or just PM thru this site. Thanks so much and I hope I have some luck!

Mike B · 05-17-2011, 12:32 AM

To make it match correctly, the magazine will have a suffix letter under the serial number as (in all probably), does the Luger. I know this furthur complictes your search, but there are members on this forum including yours truly who have been trying to match mag to Luger for years with little or no success. I have a list of hundreds of Luger magazine serial numbers. Give me the suffix and I will see if yours is on that list.

Good luck and you are be congratulated in trying to help your dad. Wish mine was still here.

Mike

Edward Tinker · 05-17-2011, 02:48 AM

Your chances of finding this exact serial number is very remote. In all my years of collecting, I have seen it happen only 6 or 7 times and only once for myself.

It would be much easier to find a period replacement, i.e same time period and either the same suffix or close.

That would still make a nice gift

Ed

mgainer23 · 05-17-2011, 04:32 AM

Yes i kinda understand this....I got in touch with my dad after the first reply to get the suffix letter. I know though that he is just looking for a clip with the number 1601 on it to match up with the gun. It does not have to be the guns "exact" magazine unless each gun has a clip specifically made for that specific gun. I know less than my dad, and he is by no means a collector or expert. He was just under the impression that it shouldnt be too hard to find a clip numbered 1601. He may be completely wrong??? I understand matching the suffix and the number makes it nearly impossible, but again, I know that he is just looking for that 1601 numbered clip. Hope that helps, and again I may be way off. I definately appreciate the responses and hope Im getting closer. I will post the suffix when he gets it to me sometime this morning. Thanks Guys!

sheepherder · 05-17-2011, 08:59 AM

There is a guy on GunBroker.com named Rich [username: rwc] who frequently lists Luger mag bottoms...He might be able to help you...

Or...there is a magazine expert on this Forum who goes under the name of GT...he makes mag bottoms...from scratch...and has some mag tubes as well...he might be able to 'force match' a mag for your dad...

I know - it's blasphemy...

mgainer23 · 05-17-2011, 09:47 AM

so got an email this morning and this is what my dad says.....hope this helps. thanks

My Luger is a Mauser dated 1939 with the number "42" on the toggle. Serial number is 1601 with "u" suffix. I know some magazines have had the aluminum knob sanded down and new numbers inscribed. The magazine that I currently have with the gun is 6914 h. It's my understanding that there were two magazines produced per gun. Let me know what you find out.

Edward Tinker · 05-17-2011, 10:51 AM

Yes, what he says is true. However, in looking for serial numbers for my lugers, I have matched one correctly and one with the same number (a DDR magazine) for a Simson gun, not correct at all.

but my point is, unless you have one force matched, a no-no in the luger collecting world, for the simple reason is that 20 years from now, will it get sold as an 'all matching' gun?

So that said, as a collector, i say find one that is period correct and feel good about it.

As a non-collector, there are guys that will mark them for you, however, most I have seen, and especially a 'sanded' bottom, looks like heck, and is obvious.

Ed

mgainer23 · 05-17-2011, 12:54 PM

I understand. He just wants one that has the number 1601. doest matter if its z, p, q or whatever. He just wants a 1601. Not a sanded off one either or refurbished. An original with the number 1601.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-17-2011, 03:14 PM

Mike..An original with the number 1601. As Ed and some others have indicated that is a tall order!
I have a list on the side of my computer screen with my Lugers serials and EVERY magazine I come accross... and that's a bunch, I look every day in a lot of places..for 15 years I have not even come close. Weird but true. I wouldn't want to give even odds on finding one for your Father's birthday! Or the next ten really...
BUT! You might get lucky...

John Sabato · 05-17-2011, 03:42 PM

Then contact GT and he can fabricate a quality aftermarket magazine with the number you desire.

Ron Wood · 05-17-2011, 03:52 PM

John,
That may be an option, but he did say that he was seeking an original with the number 1601

lugerholsterrepair · 05-17-2011, 06:50 PM

Seeking, wanting, wishing..all ain't getting. I agree..a GT mag would fill the bill UNTIL an all original is available. Or IF ...

sheepherder · 05-17-2011, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

...I agree..a GT mag would fill the bill UNTIL an all original is available. Or IF ...

+ 1

We'll all be dead before Mike finds an original...*original and matching*...

mgainer23 · 05-17-2011, 09:12 PM

Oh well....I guess I never figured it would be that difficult! One things for sure is that this has peaked my personal interest and I kinda want my own luger now. Thanks for all the replies guys!

tharpo · 05-18-2011, 12:14 AM

Mike (mgainer23),
You have to understand that for every 10,000 lugers produced in 1939 as well as the other years there would only be two 1601 magazines. A 1601 magazine and a 1601+ magazine.

Tom

Mike B · 05-18-2011, 01:48 AM

This is not my first rodeo. I have been collecting Lugers since 1959 and know full well the serial number process. I have a copy of Don Hallock's magazine list and thought by chance there might be a match. He does have a 40-42 1603c. Close.

Mike

Edward Tinker · 05-18-2011, 02:39 AM

Mike, tharpo was not talking to you, but the original poster, whose name is Mike also...

A.Mifsin · 05-18-2011, 03:33 AM

I have been trying to find a K Dated Luger Magazine, any number will do for years, and still I have not find one. Let alone with the number of my K date Lyger

Alf.

05-16-2011, 11:15 PM	#1
mgainer23 User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi!!! Need Help with gift for my Dad. Hi everyone. Im new to the forum, and basically here to find a gift my dad has been searching for forever now. He is not to internet savy so I told him I would help him find his missing Luger piece. Anyways, My father has a 1939 Luger Pistol. He is looking for a Magazine/Clip with the matching number of 1601 to complete it. The larger pieces on his gun have a serial number of 1601, and the smaller have 01 if that helps identify the exact gun. If anyone can help me out please let me know. I have a verified paypal account and can pay immediately. I live in Indianapolis. Feel free to email me at home_brews@yahoo.com with LUGER in the subject please, or just PM thru this site. Thanks so much and I hope I have some luck!

05-17-2011, 02:48 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Your chances of finding this exact serial number is very remote. In all my years of collecting, I have seen it happen only 6 or 7 times and only once for myself. It would be much easier to find a period replacement, i.e same time period and either the same suffix or close. That would still make a nice gift Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-17-2011, 08:59 AM	#5
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	There is a guy on GunBroker.com named Rich [username: rwc] who frequently lists Luger mag bottoms...He might be able to help you... Or...there is a magazine expert on this Forum who goes under the name of GT...he makes mag bottoms...from scratch...and has some mag tubes as well...he might be able to 'force match' a mag for your dad... I know - it's blasphemy... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-17-2011, 10:51 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Yes, what he says is true. However, in looking for serial numbers for my lugers, I have matched one correctly and one with the same number (a DDR magazine) for a Simson gun, not correct at all. but my point is, unless you have one force matched, a no-no in the luger collecting world, for the simple reason is that 20 years from now, will it get sold as an 'all matching' gun? So that said, as a collector, i say find one that is period correct and feel good about it. As a non-collector, there are guys that will mark them for you, however, most I have seen, and especially a 'sanded' bottom, looks like heck, and is obvious. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-17-2011, 03:14 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,850 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,426 Posts	Mike..An original with the number 1601. As Ed and some others have indicated that is a tall order! I have a list on the side of my computer screen with my Lugers serials and EVERY magazine I come accross... and that's a bunch, I look every day in a lot of places..for 15 years I have not even come close. Weird but true. I wouldn't want to give even odds on finding one for your Father's birthday! Or the next ten really... BUT! You might get lucky... __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-17-2011, 12:32 AM	#2
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	To make it match correctly, the magazine will have a suffix letter under the serial number as (in all probably), does the Luger. I know this furthur complictes your search, but there are members on this forum including yours truly who have been trying to match mag to Luger for years with little or no success. I have a list of hundreds of Luger magazine serial numbers. Give me the suffix and I will see if yours is on that list. Good luck and you are be congratulated in trying to help your dad. Wish mine was still here. Mike

05-17-2011, 04:32 AM	#4
mgainer23 User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes i kinda understand this....I got in touch with my dad after the first reply to get the suffix letter. I know though that he is just looking for a clip with the number 1601 on it to match up with the gun. It does not have to be the guns "exact" magazine unless each gun has a clip specifically made for that specific gun. I know less than my dad, and he is by no means a collector or expert. He was just under the impression that it shouldnt be too hard to find a clip numbered 1601. He may be completely wrong??? I understand matching the suffix and the number makes it nearly impossible, but again, I know that he is just looking for that 1601 numbered clip. Hope that helps, and again I may be way off. I definately appreciate the responses and hope Im getting closer. I will post the suffix when he gets it to me sometime this morning. Thanks Guys!

05-17-2011, 09:47 AM	#6
mgainer23 User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	so got an email this morning and this is what my dad says.....hope this helps. thanks My Luger is a Mauser dated 1939 with the number "42" on the toggle. Serial number is 1601 with "u" suffix. I know some magazines have had the aluminum knob sanded down and new numbers inscribed. The magazine that I currently have with the gun is 6914 h. It's my understanding that there were two magazines produced per gun. Let me know what you find out.

05-17-2011, 12:54 PM	#8
mgainer23 User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I understand. He just wants one that has the number 1601. doest matter if its z, p, q or whatever. He just wants a 1601. Not a sanded off one either or refurbished. An original with the number 1601.

05-17-2011, 03:42 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Then contact GT and he can fabricate a quality aftermarket magazine with the number you desire. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-17-2011, 03:52 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	John, That may be an option, but he did say that he was seeking an original with the number 1601 __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-17-2011, 06:50 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,850 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,426 Posts	Seeking, wanting, wishing..all ain't getting. I agree..a GT mag would fill the bill UNTIL an all original is available. Or IF ... __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-17-2011, 09:12 PM	#14
mgainer23 User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh well....I guess I never figured it would be that difficult! One things for sure is that this has peaked my personal interest and I kinda want my own luger now. Thanks for all the replies guys!

05-18-2011, 12:14 AM	#15
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 536 Thanks: 116 Thanked 375 Times in 153 Posts	Mike (mgainer23), You have to understand that for every 10,000 lugers produced in 1939 as well as the other years there would only be two 1601 magazines. A 1601 magazine and a 1601+ magazine. Tom

05-18-2011, 01:48 AM	#16
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	This is not my first rodeo. I have been collecting Lugers since 1959 and know full well the serial number process. I have a copy of Don Hallock's magazine list and thought by chance there might be a match. He does have a 40-42 1603c. Close. Mike

05-18-2011, 02:39 AM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Mike, tharpo was not talking to you, but the original poster, whose name is Mike also...

05-18-2011, 03:33 AM	#18
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	I have been trying to find a K Dated Luger Magazine, any number will do for years, and still I have not find one. Let alone with the number of my K date Lyger Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger