Luger Lanyard Opinions

Maestro · 08-24-2013, 02:01 AM

does this look pre-1945?

Maestro · 08-24-2013, 02:06 AM

this is one i found here on the forum that got a

klaus 3338 · 08-25-2013, 02:51 AM

This lanyards were made in Portugal for the m943. So they are pre 1945 but they are not in Germany made.

Maestro · 08-25-2013, 02:33 PM

....so if I'm interpreting this correctly Klaus, this particular Lanyard (in post #1 above) would not be proper for a Mauser Luger rig!?!

lugerholsterrepair · 08-25-2013, 05:53 PM

I have yet to determine exactly what was made in Portugal as far as lanyards go. I am not aware of any deffinitive photo's or documentation and Klaus... if you have any information I would be very happy to see it! The Portuguese lanyard has always been an enigma to me..I have not been able to pin down anything about it..ever.

This lanyard in my humble opinion is a fake. It has been around for 15 years or so that I know of. I have seen it in several variations..sometimes with Nazi markings..WaA and such.

The roundish strap with the square leather keeper is a known Lahti lanyard. Or Swedish..some such thing. Then the rather funky pistol attachment is added. The steel swivel is a more or less proper type but the pistol attaching leather is too crude to be believed. Home made if you will.

It is actually stupidly made. The stud could be used in place of the 2 rivets..for attaching the folded leather strap as you see in some of the German lanyards. At any rate unless it is proven to me I refuse to believe this lanyard was used by any Military.

proper for a Mauser Luger rig!? That depends on a lot of things..even though most Mauser Luger's had a lanyard staple a lanyard was used so rarely it's up to you to choose what type you might want to employ. Many lanyards from the 1900's on were private purchase. Individually made by saddler's. There is what I believe to be a standard WW1 type, used during the Great War but after the war and during WW2 the lanyard was very scarcely employed. There are very few period photo's during WW1 and I have yet to see one from WW2 of an issue lanyard. Other impromptu lanyards were often used..breadbag straps, cording..shoelaces perhaps. What one could find in the field.

The WW1 issue German Luger lanyard was the most elegant, effecient and beautiful one IMO. Certainly useful for any Luger.

Maestro · 08-25-2013, 07:33 PM

.. picked this up from one of the posts by Klaus

Quote:

German documents describe the lanyard with a spring-hook and late Third Reich documents show and describe the P38 lanyard wich was also used with the P08. Bavaria got and used a very special lanyard during the great war.
This one with the leather attatching was used with the byf 42 of Portugal.

Maestro · 08-25-2013, 07:38 PM

... I was also able to get a couple of photos here on the forum of some of Jerry's fine creations (unfortunately some of the Lanyard related posts no longer have the photos available to view

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...amazing Jerry

Maestro · 08-25-2013, 07:46 PM

...i'm getting a better idea of the Portugal "type 1" from these posts & Vlim's comment:

Quote:

...It seems that so far 3 different variations of Portuguese lanyards have been identified...Lanyards from Portugal when they cleaned out their arsenals in the 1970s and 1980s. A nice example is shown in a 1977 article in 'Guns & Ammo', they also showed up in German magazine articles and Frankonia advertisements, being offered for sale along with other Portuguese equipment.

Close-up of a Type 1 lanyard from Michael Reese's 1977 Guns & Ammo article.

Maestro · 08-25-2013, 07:55 PM

according to Vlim

Quote:

Type 2 of the Portuguese Lanyard:
-Longer tab.
-Tigthly twisted loop ends.
-Flat leather tabs.

2nd picture: Close-up of the Type 2 tab.

Maestro · 08-25-2013, 08:03 PM

..I thought this was interesting; picture of Bulgarian Officer provided by Albert

Maestro · 08-25-2013, 08:17 PM

..not to leave the Dutch out..
from Vlim.. Dutch Navy Lanyard

08-24-2013, 02:06 AM	#2
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08-25-2013, 05:53 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	I have yet to determine exactly what was made in Portugal as far as lanyards go. I am not aware of any deffinitive photo's or documentation and Klaus... if you have any information I would be very happy to see it! The Portuguese lanyard has always been an enigma to me..I have not been able to pin down anything about it..ever. This lanyard in my humble opinion is a fake. It has been around for 15 years or so that I know of. I have seen it in several variations..sometimes with Nazi markings..WaA and such. The roundish strap with the square leather keeper is a known Lahti lanyard. Or Swedish..some such thing. Then the rather funky pistol attachment is added. The steel swivel is a more or less proper type but the pistol attaching leather is too crude to be believed. Home made if you will. It is actually stupidly made. The stud could be used in place of the 2 rivets..for attaching the folded leather strap as you see in some of the German lanyards. At any rate unless it is proven to me I refuse to believe this lanyard was used by any Military. proper for a Mauser Luger rig!? That depends on a lot of things..even though most Mauser Luger's had a lanyard staple a lanyard was used so rarely it's up to you to choose what type you might want to employ. Many lanyards from the 1900's on were private purchase. Individually made by saddler's. There is what I believe to be a standard WW1 type, used during the Great War but after the war and during WW2 the lanyard was very scarcely employed. There are very few period photo's during WW1 and I have yet to see one from WW2 of an issue lanyard. Other impromptu lanyards were often used..breadbag straps, cording..shoelaces perhaps. What one could find in the field. The WW1 issue German Luger lanyard was the most elegant, effecient and beautiful one IMO. Certainly useful for any Luger. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-25-2013, 07:38 PM	#7
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	... I was also able to get a couple of photos here on the forum of some of Jerry's fine creations (unfortunately some of the Lanyard related posts no longer have the photos available to view) ...amazing Jerry Attached Thumbnails

08-25-2013, 08:03 PM	#10
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08-25-2013, 08:17 PM	#11
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08-24-2013, 02:01 AM	#1
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08-25-2013, 02:51 AM	#3
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 513 Thanks: 0 Thanked 394 Times in 156 Posts	This lanyards were made in Portugal for the m943. So they are pre 1945 but they are not in Germany made.

08-25-2013, 02:33 PM	#4
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	....so if I'm interpreting this correctly Klaus, this particular Lanyard (in post #1 above) would not be proper for a Mauser Luger rig!?!