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John Sabato · 03-14-2002, 09:04 AM

Most of the "old-timers" here on the board seemed to have forgotten that all the information that we (the Lugerforum) currently have on this remarkable pistol is available on a page on this website that can be reached from the General Information Link to the left...

I have communicated directly with the curator of the Norton Gallery about it's existence, and both Johnny Peppers and Hugh Clark have actually seen the .45 Caliber Luger there...

I have never seen the OTHER one except in magazines...and on the History Channel special... and I do not know who is the current owner... To the best of my recollection, the last time it sold the price was over $800,000.00! and it is now considered to be worth over a million dollars.

Anyone who has a copy of the 1995? Guns & Ammo article that was written about firing that million dollar Luger is encouraged to scan it and have Dok post it as an addendum to the information page on the .45 caliber Luger.

Here is the link to Mike Krause website where a subsequent article for Guns & Ammo was written in March, 1998 by Garry James.

http://www.krausewerk.com/return_45_luger.html

In this article, the existence of the 2nd .45 caliber Luger at the Norton Gallery is not mentioned.

It is my personal belief that one of the reasons that it is not mentioned is that Garry James has publicly stated both in print, and in the History Channel documentary tape on the Luger that there is only ONE known to exist...and he doesn't want to be embarrassed about being mistaken. Since the value of the ONE is now estimated to be in excess of a million dollars based on his claim that it is unique, the existence of a second one might dramatically reduce the value of the first.

In discussion with another member of this forum the last time this came up, I was told that he had attempted to contact Mr. James about the issue and James was completely non-responsive...

I think that our own RON WOOD should do an update to this page and write a short narrative and post a nice gallery of photographs of his Mike Krause reproduction of this amazing piece of history...

How about it Ron? Would YA?

If anyone visiting this site has personal knowledge (or even rumors!) of other ORIGINAL .45 caliber Lugers, please contact me about the particulars... and I will try to run them down and substantiate their existence.

regards to all,

John Sabato

03-14-2002, 09:04 AM	#21
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	No Jerry, TWO known to exist... and there ma Most of the "old-timers" here on the board seemed to have forgotten that all the information that we (the Lugerforum) currently have on this remarkable pistol is available on a page on this website that can be reached from the General Information Link to the left... I have communicated directly with the curator of the Norton Gallery about it's existence, and both Johnny Peppers and Hugh Clark have actually seen the .45 Caliber Luger there... I have never seen the OTHER one except in magazines...and on the History Channel special... and I do not know who is the current owner... To the best of my recollection, the last time it sold the price was over $800,000.00! and it is now considered to be worth over a million dollars. Anyone who has a copy of the 1995? Guns & Ammo article that was written about firing that million dollar Luger is encouraged to scan it and have Dok post it as an addendum to the information page on the .45 caliber Luger. Here is the link to Mike Krause website where a subsequent article for Guns & Ammo was written in March, 1998 by Garry James. http://www.krausewerk.com/return_45_luger.html In this article, the existence of the 2nd .45 caliber Luger at the Norton Gallery is not mentioned. It is my personal belief that one of the reasons that it is not mentioned is that Garry James has publicly stated both in print, and in the History Channel documentary tape on the Luger that there is only ONE known to exist...and he doesn't want to be embarrassed about being mistaken. Since the value of the ONE is now estimated to be in excess of a million dollars based on his claim that it is unique, the existence of a second one might dramatically reduce the value of the first. In discussion with another member of this forum the last time this came up, I was told that he had attempted to contact Mr. James about the issue and James was completely non-responsive... I think that our own RON WOOD should do an update to this page and write a short narrative and post a nice gallery of photographs of his Mike Krause reproduction of this amazing piece of history... How about it Ron? Would YA? If anyone visiting this site has personal knowledge (or even rumors!) of other ORIGINAL .45 caliber Lugers, please contact me about the particulars... and I will try to run them down and substantiate their existence. regards to all, John Sabato