1920s 7.65mm Alpha Commerical

Ice · 09-05-2009, 09:13 AM

I received this 1920's Commercial from Lugerdoc just yesterday and want to give Tom Heller a BIG THANKS!

It arrived well packed and is just as he described. Tom thoughtfully packed it in a nice gun rug too. I am well pleased and my wife is thrilled since it is her Luger now. She and I share a small collection. The Commercial is in excellent condition with just enough wear that we won't be afraid to shoot it on occasion; I do replace the most breakable parts however.

Can anyone comment on the un-numbered blued wood bottom magazine? I thought the wood bottom ones were bright plated.

Charlie

alvin · 09-05-2009, 09:28 AM

The correct magazine is bright plated. Unlike older 1900 "dull white" magazine, it's shiny. Zinc plated for this period? (experts please tell me, TIA). The only blued part that I can tell is the pin at the bottom. Peacock blue.

And this gun is indeed a little bit shorter than standard military. Weimar guns are fun.

drbuster · 09-05-2009, 11:36 AM

The blued tube plain wooden bottom magazines are seen in the later Weimar period but who is to say this 1920 era commercial didn't leave the factory with this magazine. I would have preferred to see a chrome plated magazine tube but this blued one is not wrong for this pistol.

Lugerdoc · 09-06-2009, 08:58 AM

Charlie, The mag in question is a Finnish WW2 era replacement. When I acquired this pistol it had a WW2 Schmeisser type mag in it, so I added the only decent condition wood bottomed mag that I had in stock. TH

Ice · 09-06-2009, 09:28 AM

There are no complaints about the mag; glad to know where it came from.

Charlie

sabbathmusic · 10-19-2010, 10:02 AM

The magazine can be blued, it does not have to be bright, being this is a 20's commerical there are no rules on LUGERS that could not be broken. Mine is a 1920's commercial and it has a blue magazine and it is correct, also they can have alloy bottoms and be correct. There are blue magazines with wood bottoms.

Lugerdoc · 10-20-2010, 10:18 AM

To my knowledge, DWM never made any blued aluminum bottomed mags. Simson introduced the alum mag bottom in plated tubes in the mid 1920s. Mauser introduced the blued mag tubes in about 1937. Tom

MFC · 10-31-2010, 01:24 AM

Hi Joe,
I have to disagree with you. Commercials of the 1920's did not have mags with blued tubes.

Lugerdoc · 10-31-2010, 08:29 AM

Valentine, Many older mags have been rebuilt and some blued over the years. TH

ledzeppelin · 10-31-2010, 07:12 PM

User banned

MFC · 10-31-2010, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by valentine

This is mine, it is blued and it is the correct magazine from one of my many 1920 commercials.

Joe,
Most commercials made by Mauser in the 30's had mags with aluminum bottoms. If a commercial made in the 20's (DWM) was sent back to the factory in the 30's, it would be a different factory (Mauser). I've learned when it comes to Lugers it seems there are always exceptions to the rules, but the rule is 20DWM's and Alphabet DWM commercials (all made in the 20's) originally had mags with tin or nickel plated tubes with wood bottoms.

Edward Tinker · 11-01-2010, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ledzeppelin

I have a web site here, I just called him. Look at his array of lugers. He did mention to me on the phone a 20 commercial can have anything on them. They even can have been sent back to the factory in the 30's and replaced with alloy bottom one's, who knows. Here is his fantastic website; http://www.relicsofthereichs.com/lugers.htm

yes, but there is a big difference in any luger having a magazine in it when brought back from WW2, versus a new made luger in 1924 for the commercial market.

And yes, Mike has had hundreds if not thousands of lugers go through his table and "shop".

Ed

DavidJayUden · 11-01-2010, 02:56 PM

See what you started when you mentioned "blued magazine"...
Nice Luger.
dju

09-05-2009, 09:13 AM	#1
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	1920s 7.65mm Alpha Commerical I received this 1920's Commercial from Lugerdoc just yesterday and want to give Tom Heller a BIG THANKS! It arrived well packed and is just as he described. Tom thoughtfully packed it in a nice gun rug too. I am well pleased and my wife is thrilled since it is her Luger now. She and I share a small collection. The Commercial is in excellent condition with just enough wear that we won't be afraid to shoot it on occasion; I do replace the most breakable parts however. Can anyone comment on the un-numbered blued wood bottom magazine? I thought the wood bottom ones were bright plated. Charlie Attached Thumbnails

09-06-2009, 08:58 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Charlie, The mag in question is a Finnish WW2 era replacement. When I acquired this pistol it had a WW2 Schmeisser type mag in it, so I added the only decent condition wood bottomed mag that I had in stock. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-20-2010, 10:18 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	To my knowledge, DWM never made any blued aluminum bottomed mags. Simson introduced the alum mag bottom in plated tubes in the mid 1920s. Mauser introduced the blued mag tubes in about 1937. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-31-2010, 01:24 AM	#8
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Joe, I have to disagree with you. Commercials of the 1920's did not have mags with blued tubes. __________________ Mike C.

10-31-2010, 08:29 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Valentine, Many older mags have been rebuilt and some blued over the years. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-05-2009, 09:28 AM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The correct magazine is bright plated. Unlike older 1900 "dull white" magazine, it's shiny. Zinc plated for this period? (experts please tell me, TIA). The only blued part that I can tell is the pin at the bottom. Peacock blue. And this gun is indeed a little bit shorter than standard military. Weimar guns are fun.

09-05-2009, 11:36 AM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	The blued tube plain wooden bottom magazines are seen in the later Weimar period but who is to say this 1920 era commercial didn't leave the factory with this magazine. I would have preferred to see a chrome plated magazine tube but this blued one is not wrong for this pistol.

09-06-2009, 09:28 AM	#5
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	There are no complaints about the mag; glad to know where it came from. Charlie

10-19-2010, 10:02 AM	#6
sabbathmusic Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The magazine can be blued, it does not have to be bright, being this is a 20's commerical there are no rules on LUGERS that could not be broken. Mine is a 1920's commercial and it has a blue magazine and it is correct, also they can have alloy bottoms and be correct. There are blue magazines with wood bottoms.

10-31-2010, 07:12 PM	#10
ledzeppelin Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	User banned

11-01-2010, 02:56 PM	#13
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	See what you started when you mentioned "blued magazine"... Nice Luger. dju