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Ron Smith · 08-27-2007, 10:48 AM

Anybody got some??

WASHINGTON - Astronomers have stumbled upon a tremendous hole in the universe. That's got them scratching their heads about what's just not there. The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no sucking black holes, not even mysterious dark matter. It is 1 billion light years across of nothing. That's an expanse of nearly 6 billion trillion miles of emptiness, a University of Minnesota team announced Thursday.

Edward Tinker · 08-27-2007, 10:55 AM

but would you know if you put it in? kinda like the fridge light....

Ron Smith · 08-27-2007, 10:57 AM

Oh Sure!! That's come up, but ya won't know until ya try...

davidkachel · 08-27-2007, 11:59 AM

That big empty space is simply God saying: "Oh yeah, then explain THIS if you're so smart!"
God has a sadistic sense of humor which I admire.

Pete Ebbink · 08-27-2007, 12:16 PM

Maybe it is the point-of-origin of the "Big Bang"...it had to start somewhere.

The other question never asked by the Big Bangers is that since the Universe is expanding out from this Big Bang event...what the heck is the Universe expanding INTO...???...that is, what occupied the space/area before our known Universe began expanding into it...???

Sieger · 08-27-2007, 12:18 PM

Hi All:

The scientists need to read the Book of Genesis a little closer.

Sieger

davidkachel · 08-27-2007, 04:33 PM

Pete,
What the BBers also never ask is; "If the universe did not exist before the big bang, what exactly was it that went "bang"? Left over fireworks from the 4th of July? Perhaps a backfire from a cosmic Ford?
I know, maybe it was strings!!!

Sieger · 08-27-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davidkachel
Pete,
What the BBers also never ask is; "If the universe did not exist before the big bang, what exactly was it that went "bang"? Left over fireworks from the 4th of July? Perhaps a backfire from a cosmic Ford?
I know, maybe it was strings!!!

Hi:

Well, while you are at it, I think it was a gigantic fart that went bang.

What other explanation could there be!?!

Ha!

I always like to debate the evolutionist who claim that life was created from nothing. Some of them laugh at my creationist beliefs, stating that I have no proof of them. How silly they are, as when in nature is something created from nothing?

Sieger.

BogeyB · 08-27-2007, 07:46 PM

That's a pretty big hole but; it pales when compared to the empty space in the heads of some of our elected, or soon to be elected officials!

Mike

John Sabato · 08-27-2007, 10:10 PM

The Bang was God snapping his fingers when he decided to create the universe...

MFC · 08-27-2007, 11:52 PM

(They) say it all started from one photoplazmitic speck of dust.
If it did, what put it there, and what made it move?
It takes energy to make things move, transform, grow.
I wonder what that energy could be...?
Mike C.

davidkachel · 08-28-2007, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BOGEYB
That's a pretty big hole but; it pales when compared to the empty space in the heads of some of our elected, or soon to be elected officials!
Mike

Can I get an amen!! Now if we could just shovel some of those politicians, and a few hundred thousand bureaucrats while we're at it, into that big hole, there might be peace and balance in the universe!
Naw, if the hole had any sense at all, it would spit 'em right back out.

Ron Smith · 08-28-2007, 09:54 AM

When I was very young, 5 or 6. I was staying with my Grandparents and was helping my grandpa feed his horses. I asked him what was at the end of outer-space (the universe). He said "A big Red brick wall with ' Carter's Little Liver Pills ' painted on it."

apis mellifera · 08-28-2007, 10:09 AM

Right on Sieger!

A good friend of mine, and fellow Christian, just finished his undergrad degree. He said in one of his biology classes the professor was going on an on about the "evidence" for evolution and how science had proven it. He raised his hand and asked the instructor, "What about the second law of thermodynamics?" (which, paraphrased, states that matter moves from order to chaos (rather than from chaos to order, as evolutionists pass as fact)). The professor stopped in his tracks and said, "Yeah, I never really thought about that." He said he considers that his biggest life's achievement thus far.

The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you've figured everything out.

Ron Smith · 08-28-2007, 10:33 AM

My intent in posting this was to add a bit of light hearted humor. However, since it has gone another direction, I have a question.

How is it that creationists can pick and choose certain dynamic laws of physics to prove their beliefs, yet ignore the laws that contradict?

I am not trying to start an argument that will get this thread locked, but I am curious. I firmly believe that anyone should have the right to believe what they choose to believe, yet at the same time respect those of others.

"The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you've figured everything out."

A double edged sword...

davidkachel · 08-28-2007, 11:04 AM

"The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you've figured everything out."

Ron,
I think that is exactly what this lighthearted discussion is about. I don't agree with either side. I don't think the 7 days thing is to be taken literally. And I think scientists are way too arrogant in believing they have all the answers, or eventually will have them. We may be the smartest animals on the planet, but in the grand scheme of things we are as dumb as sand.

Ron Smith · 08-28-2007, 01:03 PM

Dave,

Very True...

Ron

apis mellifera · 08-28-2007, 04:14 PM

For me personally, I have all the "proof" I need, but that's not the issue here. The problem with discussion topics such as this is that it becomes a circular argument. Both sides overlook the fact that the opposing party is just as firm in their beliefs as they are.

My point is that neither side has proof in the absolute terms which some humans crave and many demand. Both sides ignore or are perceived to ignore "facts" or laws of nature to support their cause. However, creationists are usually portrayed as brain-washed, empty-headed sheep that believe in fairy tales, while evolutionists are deemed logical and intelligent, by looking at the facts (that are true at the moment). The reality is that people on both sides have given it a lot of thought and have decided as individuals. The core element in Creationism is faith in God. Science is passed off as absolute fact and is presented as such. Being educated and employed in the applied science field, I know that science is based partly on current fact and partly on hypothesis (the scientific word for "faith"). Often a hypothesis is presented as scientific fact while Christian faith is not afforded that same weight and often ridiculed as fantasy.

Personally, I think it's silly that the present "fact" taught in school is that from a one celled organism spontaneously sprang all the diversity we see on Earth. All the many species, birds, crabs, humans, all came from this ooze-borne cell? What are the statistics on that happening? I find it much more likely that God created this planted and later on, offered me salvation from death.

So, back to the topic, I love stories like this missing space discovery. It proves that there is still mystery in our lives and things are a lot bigger (not just in the literal sense) than we'll ever know.

davidkachel · 08-28-2007, 04:17 PM

apis,
Well put.

the gunman · 08-28-2007, 06:11 PM

'AMEN RON"

08-27-2007, 10:48 AM	#1
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08-27-2007, 10:57 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Oh Sure!! That's come up, but ya won't know until ya try... __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-27-2007, 11:59 AM	#4
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	That big empty space is simply God saying: "Oh yeah, then explain THIS if you're so smart!" God has a sadistic sense of humor which I admire. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

08-27-2007, 04:33 PM	#7
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Pete, What the BBers also never ask is; "If the universe did not exist before the big bang, what exactly was it that went "bang"? Left over fireworks from the 4th of July? Perhaps a backfire from a cosmic Ford? I know, maybe it was strings!!! __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

08-27-2007, 07:46 PM	#9
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 222 Times in 96 Posts	That's a pretty big hole but; it pales when compared to the empty space in the heads of some of our elected, or soon to be elected officials! Mike __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	but would you know if you put it in? kinda like the fridge light....

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Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Maybe it is the point-of-origin of the "Big Bang"...it had to start somewhere. The other question never asked by the Big Bangers is that since the Universe is expanding out from this Big Bang event...what the heck is the Universe expanding INTO...???...that is, what occupied the space/area before our known Universe began expanding into it...???

08-27-2007, 12:18 PM	#6
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	Hi All: The scientists need to read the Book of Genesis a little closer. Sieger

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	The Bang was God snapping his fingers when he decided to create the universe... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	(They) say it all started from one photoplazmitic speck of dust. If it did, what put it there, and what made it move? It takes energy to make things move, transform, grow. I wonder what that energy could be...? Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

08-28-2007, 09:54 AM	#13
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	When I was very young, 5 or 6. I was staying with my Grandparents and was helping my grandpa feed his horses. I asked him what was at the end of outer-space (the universe). He said "A big Red brick wall with ' Carter's Little Liver Pills ' painted on it." __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-28-2007, 10:09 AM	#14
apis mellifera User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV Posts: 149 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 8 Posts	Right on Sieger! A good friend of mine, and fellow Christian, just finished his undergrad degree. He said in one of his biology classes the professor was going on an on about the "evidence" for evolution and how science had proven it. He raised his hand and asked the instructor, "What about the second law of thermodynamics?" (which, paraphrased, states that matter moves from order to chaos (rather than from chaos to order, as evolutionists pass as fact)). The professor stopped in his tracks and said, "Yeah, I never really thought about that." He said he considers that his biggest life's achievement thus far. The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you've figured everything out.

08-28-2007, 10:33 AM	#15
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	My intent in posting this was to add a bit of light hearted humor. However, since it has gone another direction, I have a question. How is it that creationists can pick and choose certain dynamic laws of physics to prove their beliefs, yet ignore the laws that contradict? I am not trying to start an argument that will get this thread locked, but I am curious. I firmly believe that anyone should have the right to believe what they choose to believe, yet at the same time respect those of others. "The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you've figured everything out." A double edged sword... __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-28-2007, 11:04 AM	#16
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	"The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you've figured everything out." Ron, I think that is exactly what this lighthearted discussion is about. I don't agree with either side. I don't think the 7 days thing is to be taken literally. And I think scientists are way too arrogant in believing they have all the answers, or eventually will have them. We may be the smartest animals on the planet, but in the grand scheme of things we are as dumb as sand. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

08-28-2007, 01:03 PM	#17
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Dave, Very True... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-28-2007, 04:14 PM	#18
apis mellifera User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV Posts: 149 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 8 Posts	For me personally, I have all the "proof" I need, but that's not the issue here. The problem with discussion topics such as this is that it becomes a circular argument. Both sides overlook the fact that the opposing party is just as firm in their beliefs as they are. My point is that neither side has proof in the absolute terms which some humans crave and many demand. Both sides ignore or are perceived to ignore "facts" or laws of nature to support their cause. However, creationists are usually portrayed as brain-washed, empty-headed sheep that believe in fairy tales, while evolutionists are deemed logical and intelligent, by looking at the facts (that are true at the moment). The reality is that people on both sides have given it a lot of thought and have decided as individuals. The core element in Creationism is faith in God. Science is passed off as absolute fact and is presented as such. Being educated and employed in the applied science field, I know that science is based partly on current fact and partly on hypothesis (the scientific word for "faith"). Often a hypothesis is presented as scientific fact while Christian faith is not afforded that same weight and often ridiculed as fantasy. Personally, I think it's silly that the present "fact" taught in school is that from a one celled organism spontaneously sprang all the diversity we see on Earth. All the many species, birds, crabs, humans, all came from this ooze-borne cell? What are the statistics on that happening? I find it much more likely that God created this planted and later on, offered me salvation from death. So, back to the topic, I love stories like this missing space discovery. It proves that there is still mystery in our lives and things are a lot bigger (not just in the literal sense) than we'll ever know.

08-28-2007, 04:17 PM	#19
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	apis, Well put. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

08-28-2007, 06:11 PM	#20
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	'AMEN RON"