What are marking on this DWM - Page 2

Lugerdoc · 12-27-2012, 11:54 AM

If you will note of page 320 that Datig has the 1908 Venezuelan and the Spandau flaged with and asteris, but without explanation. I ASSUME that this would indicate that their validity is in question. I also find it interesting in this early listing he doesn't show a true military Kreighoff production, but does show 3 variations of KH marking on DWM made lugers. I'd be more apt to believe the Indonesian connection, rather than a Venezuelan contract. TH

sheepherder · 12-27-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

If you will note of page 320 that Datig has the 1908 Venezuelan and the Spandau flaged with and asteris, but without explanation. I ASSUME that this would indicate that their validity is in question. I also find it interesting in this early listing he doesn't show a true military Kreighoff production, but does show 3 variations of KH marking on DWM made lugers. I'd be more apt to believe the Indonesian connection, rather than a Venezuelan contract. TH

Three lines under that is a 1908-14 "SS"(?) 9mm, "DWM" or "Erfurt", dated or undated, "Death's Head" over chamber...*Without* an asterick...

I have to wonder "What was he thinking???"...

Vlim · 12-27-2012, 01:17 PM

The odds are greater that it is a 'Republic of Texas' star than anything to do with Indonesia

I think this is either Venezualan, or a pistol made to resemble that variation, using Datig's book as a guide line.

Patronen · 12-27-2012, 02:37 PM

An old fake crossed my mind.
What is interesting to me is that the other marking which kinda looks like a V on the front left side of the reciever. What is that marking and what does it represent?

Vlim · 12-27-2012, 03:01 PM

'V' for 'Venezuala', probably. Proof- or property/acceptance marking.

What is strange, is the absence of commercial or military proof markings on the pistol.

alanint · 12-27-2012, 03:28 PM

Although there are 8 small stars on Venezuela's flag, they have never used a star motif to designate their goverment, armed forces or culture in general.

The only Latin Country where the star is prevalent as a key element in an official seal is Brazil.

12-27-2012, 11:54 AM	#21
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	If you will note of page 320 that Datig has the 1908 Venezuelan and the Spandau flaged with and asteris, but without explanation. I ASSUME that this would indicate that their validity is in question. I also find it interesting in this early listing he doesn't show a true military Kreighoff production, but does show 3 variations of KH marking on DWM made lugers. I'd be more apt to believe the Indonesian connection, rather than a Venezuelan contract. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-27-2012, 02:37 PM	#24
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	An old fake crossed my mind. What is interesting to me is that the other marking which kinda looks like a V on the front left side of the reciever. What is that marking and what does it represent? __________________ Dave

12-27-2012, 01:17 PM	#23
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	The odds are greater that it is a 'Republic of Texas' star than anything to do with Indonesia I think this is either Venezualan, or a pistol made to resemble that variation, using Datig's book as a guide line.

12-27-2012, 03:01 PM	#25
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	'V' for 'Venezuala', probably. Proof- or property/acceptance marking. What is strange, is the absence of commercial or military proof markings on the pistol.

12-27-2012, 03:28 PM	#26
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Although there are 8 small stars on Venezuela's flag, they have never used a star motif to designate their goverment, armed forces or culture in general. The only Latin Country where the star is prevalent as a key element in an official seal is Brazil.