Mystery Frame

Alain · 10-03-2002, 01:38 PM

Dear Gentlemen,

I appeal to your expertise in submitting to your scrutiny a misterious frame with strange features:

- added grip safety with mounting block and enlarged slot.

- safety lever frame area slightly milled (on entire area) down as if to erase a marking.

- stock lug absent BUT enough excess metal to machine it. There is a big round smooth bump where a stock lug is normally located.

It came with a mix of Simson and Navy parts. Could it be a an added grip safety Simson commercial?

Frame is numbered 43220, but it seems to me to have been originally "322", as numbers "4" and "0" are very slightly misaligned compared with
the other numbers.
It also has a horizontal C/N proof on left frame rail.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

Alain Capel

Paris France

Lugerdoc · 10-04-2002, 08:07 AM

Alain, The small horizontal C/N on the left frame rail, indicates a Weimar KH rework to me. If the gun were all matching, I would expect a similar C/N on the left receiver. The fact that the luger has a grip safety, I wouldn't expect it to have a stock lug, but as you know, a lot of strange amorphidite creations happened during this era. Tom H.

Alain · 10-04-2002, 09:55 AM

Dear Tom,

Thanks for your message.

This might why it came also with a few Krieghoff parts (Eagle L proof)which I thought heterogenous.
A total basket case (including some Eagle 6 proofed parts).

But I have never seen another FRAME like this.
Even in the books.

Could it be that a normal frame forging was just not machined for the stock lug and then the grip safety added?
I do not know how blank frame forgings were at the start.

Rgds,

Alain

10-03-2002, 01:38 PM	#1
Alain Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: france Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mystery Frame Dear Gentlemen, I appeal to your expertise in submitting to your scrutiny a misterious frame with strange features: - added grip safety with mounting block and enlarged slot. - safety lever frame area slightly milled (on entire area) down as if to erase a marking. - stock lug absent BUT enough excess metal to machine it. There is a big round smooth bump where a stock lug is normally located. It came with a mix of Simson and Navy parts. Could it be a an added grip safety Simson commercial? Frame is numbered 43220, but it seems to me to have been originally "322", as numbers "4" and "0" are very slightly misaligned compared with the other numbers. It also has a horizontal C/N proof on left frame rail. Thanks a lot in advance for your help. Alain Capel Paris France

10-04-2002, 08:07 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Alain, The small horizontal C/N on the left frame rail, indicates a Weimar KH rework to me. If the gun were all matching, I would expect a similar C/N on the left receiver. The fact that the luger has a grip safety, I wouldn't expect it to have a stock lug, but as you know, a lot of strange amorphidite creations happened during this era. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-04-2002, 09:55 AM	#3
Alain Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: france Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dear Tom, Thanks for your message. This might why it came also with a few Krieghoff parts (Eagle L proof)which I thought heterogenous. A total basket case (including some Eagle 6 proofed parts). But I have never seen another FRAME like this. Even in the books. Could it be that a normal frame forging was just not machined for the stock lug and then the grip safety added? I do not know how blank frame forgings were at the start. Rgds, Alain